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Saga Things You Can't Unsee From the Films

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by SlashMan, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    FYI, 'data tapes' (LTO) are still used today for archiving gigantic amounts of material that don't need to be accessed immediately. It's a cheap, space-saving method of storage (multiple terabytes can fit on a tape cartridge not much bigger than the size of a wallet), without the risk of suddenly dying like a hard disk - just not very fast when you need to dredge something up.
    A lot of finished media productions are also still delivered on digital videotape for the same reason.

    Point being, 'data tapes' are still around, even today. Hell, the 1940s audio format of wire recording is still used in the 'black boxes' of aeroplanes, as it's able to withstand, well, a plane crash. Most digital recording devices around these days can't survive being dropped on the ground a couple of times - or the several minutes past the expiration date of their warranties.
     
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  2. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Darth_Nub

    you are absolutely right and I'd like to believe I'm more aware about the (correctly summarized) capabilities tapes still have than the average Joe (one of my friend works in the program content industry where the masters are still on tapes).

    Yet in the context of ANH it just sounds as shortsighted as it did in Star Trek TOS where they constantly referred to their square chip data carriers as "tapes", too (ironically, Roddenberry gave explicit instructions not to reference 1960's technology, but George Lucas actually took it to heart when he mostly erased the "tape" references and instead had the protagonists refer to "data" or "plans" which could have referred to any kind of yet unvisioned medium).

    It's also worth to notice, IMHO, that the "floppy disk" with the Death Star plans Leia inserted into Artoo didn't look anything but a tape but a (then) futuristic data carrier.

    But considering how many "tape" references Lucas had in the earlier screenplay drafts, I'm still amazed that he managed to substitute so many. I'm tempted to say that the remaining Motti "tape" reference is rather a testament to Lucas' success, considering how many "tape bugs" he actually eliminated. ;)
     
  3. Mother of Dragons

    Mother of Dragons Jedi Knight star 1

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    Luke and Leia kissing. I wish I could unsee it.

    But I realize that's not what this is about.

    Ewan's wigs were awful. They should have just let him use his actual hair, which is even more magnificent than Adam Driver's. I think Hayden had some questionable wig moments too.
     
  4. SlashMan

    SlashMan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    How could I forget the original "can't unsee" moment?

    Anyways, I remember it being pointed out to me as a kid when you could see the rod of Obi-Wan's lightsaber during his duel with Vader.
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    Since then, that part would always jump out to me (I think they fixed this in recent years).

    In Revenge of the Sith, Grievous happens to be holding Anakin and Obi-Wan's hilts
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  5. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    That Grievous one might just be an Easter Egg, considering that studying the hilts of Lightsabers isn't something most people do.

    I've watched the films countless times, and I never noticed that before. You learn something everyday I suppose.

    One thing I can't unsee is a shot of Sidious holding Anakin's lightsaber in his Mace duel, from the original edit of the duel. It's quite noticeable in a few shots.
     
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  6. SlashMan

    SlashMan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh, I'm convinced without a doubt that Grievous holding those lightsabers is an intentional reference (this thread isn't exclusive to mistakes). Some people have said that it's "laziness" from the animators, but forget that the actual hilts were physical props, whereas all of Grievous' had to be CGI models by necessity.
     
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  7. MidKnighT

    MidKnighT Force Ghost star 4

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  8. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    I still dont think Ewan's wig is really that awful.

    The obvious one is the Stormtrooper headbump which is really just a common thing to laugh at and adds to the humanity of the troopers.
    But Vader's head going through his shuttle always is the one I see [​IMG]
     
  9. Seagoat

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    Another one

    Maul's Force-pushing hand changing from the close up to the long shot of Obi-Wan falling back
     
  10. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    SlashMan something else that is nitpicky about that Grievous vs Obi-wan scene to me is how when Grievous spins those sabers right in front of Obi-wan's face, Obi-wan doesn't even ready his guard or slightly flinch. I know he is a Jedi and is calm in the face of danger but you'd think a little movement would've came from Obi-wan once Grievous spun those sabers. It's not a big deal and I love RotS but it's something that always sticks out to me,lol
     
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  11. TX-20

    TX-20 Force Ghost star 4

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    Maul refusing to block Obi-Wan's killing blow despite clearly having time to do so.

    Darth Maul: "What are you doing? Oh. You are using the force to propel yourself up. Now you're using it to grab your master's lightsaber. And now you have the lightsaber and are flipping over my head. What are you going to do now?"
    *Obi-Wan cuts a Sith*
    Obi-Wan: "See you at the party, Maul!"
     
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  12. ATMachine

    ATMachine Jedi Master star 4

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    Matte transparency issues were a problem back in the pre-CGI ega (see also: the snowspeeder battle), and the poor quality of the SE transfers doesn't help.
     
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  13. SlashMan

    SlashMan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wasn't so much the transparency as it was that the nose of the ship was too low for the shot and Vader's head just passed right through it. The animators probably called it "close enough." Funny enough, Vader was played by a stand-in; if it looked like Vader was a bit smaller than usual in that shot, you'd be right.
     
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  14. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    I never noticed the mistake until someone pointed it out to me. RotJ is my favorite movie in the saga but that minor mistake is something I always see when I watch it:p
     
  15. Bobatron

    Bobatron Jedi Master star 4

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    The title seems to refer to glitches, mistakes, and production tricks rather than things people just don't like. Thanks to commentary, interviews and the like, I now always notice or think of (and I'll try to keep this vague so those who don't know of them won't have the same problem...I'm not a gags and bloopers kind of person.)
    -That thing involving the Tusken Raider in ANH when it meets Luke.
    -Luke and the cup.
    -That one TIE Fighter in the shot when they fly at the Falcon and Rebel fighters in Return of the Jedi.
    -"Robots."
    -The guys in the awards ceremony filling in the frame.

    Obi-Wan's lightsaber in the Vader duel doesn't bother me because it could have easily been interpreted as just something he was doing with it. It just so happened to flick off and on with gestures, as if he was doing it on purpose.
     
  16. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    To me it had always looked as if Kenobi's (old) lightsaber wasn't really a good match with Vader's "newer" lightsaber and therefore "short-circuited".

    And the Endor landing platform glitch just illustrates how serious Lucas was about fixing tiny mistakes like this in the Special Edition.
    The fact that the Falcon still didn't get it's dish in Docking Bay 94 is most telling, IMHO.
     
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  17. SlashMan

    SlashMan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh, then there's the Cantina scene. We see this guy, right?
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    Then we see Evazan drawing his blaster. And then we see this arm on the floor.
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    Both an editing and prop mistake that has become so famous, they even changed the action figure to reflect the mistake.
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    Note: he still doesn't have his original blaster, but since that isn't visible in the final cut, I guess it's no big deal.
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  18. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Fixed
     
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  19. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yes, indeed. Obi-Wan's lightsaber in the ANH duel used to bother me. Gosh, I never noticed what you pointed out with Grievous. Great...
     
  20. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    SlashMan wrote

    Both an editing and prop mistake that has become so famous, they even changed the action figure to reflect the mistake.
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    Frankly, I had always wondered how he could even hold a drink with these hooves (maybe that's why he was in such a bad mood).

    Strangely, though, I can bring myself to believe that "Buttface" merely used gloves that looked like natural hooves. ;)

    Or he just lost a boxing match and his gloves finally came off.
     
  21. KaleeshEyes

    KaleeshEyes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    A quick moment you might have missed but I noticed it first time! Obi-Wan is fighting Grievous on Utapau
    Grievous gets his top left and bottom right hands cut off, but when he blocks the next attack he suddenly has two left hands again.
    How does that work?!!

    Also this video. Once heard cannot be unheard.
     
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  22. KaleeshEyes

    KaleeshEyes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yup, always noticed this one. It's not just the lack of reaction that bothers me, but the bemused expression as well. Just looks so unnatural when the situation is considered.
     
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  23. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah it kind of takes you out of it for a minute once you notice Ewan was just looking at a CGI screen and told that he was looking at Grievous. you would think he would react to all those sabers spinning
     
  24. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    [/quote] Obi-Wan's lightsaber shaft being noticeable never bugged me. I guess I simply just wrote it off as being the core of the lightsaber.

    The Grievous lightsaber thing, I did notice and it did bug me. I first noticed it when I bought a poster with Grievous, Sidious, Vader, and Dooku on it back when the movie first came out. I believe, in that poster, that Grievous is also holding Luke's RotJ lightsaber as well. It was essentially a recolored Obi-Wan RotS lightsaber, but the colors were noticeably Luke's. In the movie itself, what bugs me even worse, is that the colors on the Anakin and Obi-Wan hilts switch as some point in the duel, and so it appears that Grievous is also holding Anakin's lightsaber.
     
  25. AstroDroid88

    AstroDroid88 Jedi Master star 4

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    Omg! I always thought that scene looked fake for some reason. I half believed it was really the hanger behind Han & Lando but couldn't quite bring myself to admit it. Now I'll never be able to watch the same scene again without thinking of it being a painting behind them

    Of course, there's this guy who will always haunt me
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