TO EPISODEIO III ANETREPSE TA PANTA!AKOUO SXOLIA!

Ase, giati ta pragmata fainode xaodi...To E.U ine officially by Lucas??

 

Starkeiller kai Urkanoid, thanx gia to diafotistiko kai amusing foruming all irthe i ora na pao na doso mathima.
May the Force be with me[-o|

 

Genika to EU einai ligo periergi istoria...

Giati?

May the Force be with you, Mythos, kai nai, o Lucas apodechetai to E.U.. O Lucas vgazei fraga ap' to E.U..

 

Go get 'em champ!

 

Den xsero re su.It just doesn't feel as right as the flicks do, that's all...

 

^ Lathos. Den echeis diavasei tis swstes istories aplws. Psakse to to thema kai tha deis oti to E.U. einai to TELEIO symblirwmatiko twn tainiwn.

 

Gia rikse kamia idea...

 

^ Par' ta 100% chronologika. Comics, vivlia.

 

Prosopika exo papsei na diavazo EU apo to 2000. Teleftaio vivlio pou diavasa itan to I, Jedi

 

Prin liga ora bgika apo tin aithousa....an ipirxe o Yoda, tha kratuse tin kardia tou sta sigura.....dio amphitheatra were slaughtered.....
Tespa, o Lucas ta apodexete?? Diladi den simvali?? Etsi opos to thetis ine ambiguous.

 

Did you get slaughtered as well Master?Can't be that bad...Anyway, o George sunainei protistos gia oikonomikous logous kai deutereuontos gia opoiousdipote allous.Fantazomai oti mesa se autous einai kai h aisthisi tou na blepei tin dimiourgia tou na proekteinetai kai na lambanei bathos sta xeria kapoiwn allwn, profanws ikanwn anthrwpwn.Opws kai na xei thewrw oti me ton ena h me ton allo tropo kapoios tha analambane na epektathei se agnostes perioxes tou SW galaxia..

 

Katalava, it makes sense....

Oso gia ti sfagi, den ksefiga oute ego...i Kathigitria ekane Flawless Victory me Brutallity sto telos

 

Katalaba, toso kala..

 

OBI-KRIS apokaleis thn T3 xalia eksoplismo???Vlasfime!!etsi eksigeitai h taxuthta!!!Kala sthn patra kai sthn Krhth exoun kanoniko orgasmo apo texnologia!!!!mexri kai TIE fighters episkevazoun!!!

eidika gia tous ellhnes fan tou Starwars exoume sintonisei ena kanali gia chat,sto mIRC!Beite 24/24oro gia ateliotes koubentes!!to kanali legetai #starwars.gr ston server GRnet!!Opoios exei duskolies na bei sto kanali as mou steilei email sto mythosp@mail.gr h na mou steilei private message!!Sto mIRC tha me vreite san @Jedi_Knight_Mythos Gia osous den exoun to mRIC ston upologisth tous (pragma spanio!),katavaste to apo to www.mirc.com

 

O Lucas apodechetai to E.U. ama tou aresei kai se merikes fores anakatevetai se afto (to Labyrinth of Evil, ena FOVERO vivlio-prequel sto Ep. III, to eiche kathodigisei aftos, kai psiloapofasise kai ton thanato tou Chewei sto Vector Prime). Ena kalo paradeigma einai afto pou ekane gia to vivlio tou Epeisodiou 3: Itane pichtra stis anafores sto E.U. kai to ksepsirise, kratwndas mono oses tou aresan.

 

Gianakin:

Pou itan ta droids otan egine i Monomaxia Anakin/Obi?Den proseksa kanena.Oso gia ta alla,ok,esena se peirazoun,ego leo oti tha mporousan na einai kalitera,alla to idio k ta palia.Tora etsi vgikan,etsi tha einai.Telos,no sweat.


Opote ksanadeis to ROTS, molis o Obi-Wan me ton Anakin proxwrane arga panw stous swlines, panw apo tin lava. Ekei pou exw ta exw dei ola, dagkwnw nyxia, exw gourlwsei ta matia, erxetai aiwroumeno apo panw deksia ena droid pou koubalaei lava, tous koitaei, rixnei kai mia matia sto koino, kai meta feygei pali katw. Kinimatografika, enw to endiaferon mas einai epikentrwmeno sto bathos tis othonis, oi irwes kinountai pros ta "mesa", to droid erxetai sto foreground, me diaforetiki taxytita ap'oti kinountai oi irwes mas sto "bathos". En oligois, mou APOSPA THN G@^^H^^ENH PROSOXH apo ayto pou ginetai! Einai anti-climatic, me xalaei, den einai swsto!

Ta palia ftiaxtikane me to budget kai tis dynatotites tis epoxis tous. Einai foberes tainies, klassikes, alla pragmatika perimena na ginei i PT kai na ta skisei. Na ta afanisei. Na ta kanei ftwxous syggeneis estw. Gia mena, einai poly kales tainies ws exoun alla blepw kai ena TROMERO POTENTIAL pou DEN BGHKE POTE stin epifaneia. Milame gia mia poiotita, pou tha trabage OLON ton kosmo sta cinema, oxi mono fans kai argosxolous. Milame, na kanei skoni ton Titaniko, na ksexastoun ta Matrix, na rwtane oloi Lord of the...who? Twra, exoun xwristei oloi oi fans se ypostiriktes kai mi, to koino dixasmeno, to ROTS espase tameia gia...2 OLOKLHRES bdomades, gia na kseperastei apo to Madagascar. Nice...


To Ep2 to ekane me ton Jonathan Hales kai eidame antidraseis tou kosmou.Tha mou peis "nai,alla ego leo kalo senariografo".Kai pou ksereis an o Hales itan kalos i oxi?A,fanike meta?E,ti na kanoume.Anyway emena to Ep2 einai to 3o kalitero mou,opote den eixa kanena provlima.

Koita, o Hales exei ena "onoma" kai opws kai oloi, epityxies kai apotyxies. Kai as ypothesoume, oti apo tin stigmi pou o Lucas allazei tous titlous twn tainiwn kai vazei to "Episode IV-VI", tote itane pou skeftike na kanei ta Prequels. Eixe mia 20ETIA na ta grapsei, na ta tsekarei, na ta dwsei se Spielberg, Coppola, se opoion kserei kai mporei na plirwsei, OXI na tou allaksoun to story (diko tou einai) alla na elegksoun, poies skines douleuoun, poies oxi, dialogoi, ktl. Na min "kobontai" simantikes skines, gia xari tou Jar Jar slapstick, na min ypaxoun kena kai continuity errors. Na ginei mia istoria, opou kathe ti pou eipwthike gia to parelthon sto Star Wars, na ginei to mellon tou Star Wars.


Fisika k mporouse,opos k kathe ergo.K go exo polles idees gia to pos tha mporousan na einai kalitera.Alla an sou tis po i an mou peis esi tis dikes sou mporei na min aresoun.Ti na kanoume.Gia antipoda tis gnomis sou iparxei i diki mou.K go pistevo pos xoroun veltiosi alla den kano k etsi.K go exo meletisei to SW apo 9,den leei kati afto.Einai parapano apo mia xara oi tainies.K ksanaleo,veltiosi treli xorane k oi palies,alla de vlepo kanena na kanei fasaria.Xthes milaga me paidia asxeta me SW apo ti Sxoli mou pou tous epsisa na doun tis tainies.E,i PT tous arese skales anotera apo tin OT k oxi logo effe.Loipon?

Nai, alla apo to SW perimena poly perissotera, giati exei toses apeires pithanotites, o dimiourgos tous apeira lefta kai xrono kai ta kalytera cone sto Hollywood. Na sou kati? Opou kai na koitaksw sto TFN, pantou, briskw fan fictions. Ayta pou einai remake twn Prequels einai poly pio apolaystika ap'oti oi tainies kath'aytou! Ftasame sto simeio to biblio tou ROTS na einai kalyteri empeiria apo tin idia tin tainia!


To Ep1 mou arese skales anotera apo to Ep4 pou to vrika teleios paidiko k argo ergo.Apla ekane tin arxi,giafto exei toso credit k einai sti sfaira tou cult,allios tha sou lega pou tha itan grammeno.To Ep5 einai APSOGO alla vgike to Ep3 na to antistathmisei stin PT.Tora,gia Ep2 kai Ep6,an den itan ta Ewoks tha itan kalitero apo to AotC,alla fainetai pos o Theios eixe "ksemorathei(opos

 

^ Loipon, ta Prequels einai tainies opws o Lucas goustarei na kanei, enw i Original Trilogy ochi. Fainetai den aresei o tropos pou aresei ston Lucas, alla o tropos pou o Lucas itan anagasmenos na akolouthisei logw periorismwn. Egw goustarw both kai eimai KEWL. O Ben leei oiktra psemmata, den katalavainw giati epimeneis na min to paradechesai, stin O.T. o stomas tou einai anoichti katavothra pou vgazei o,ti tou kapnisei... To Revenge tha afisei klassikes atakes kai istoria sto mellon se olous tous tomeis stous opoios anamichthike, i tainia itan TO aristourgima ston tomea tis, see you in thirty years, oloi osoi echoun dei tin tainia chwris na einai arnitika prodiatethimenoi echoun pei oti tous arese, o typos sto link leei malakies, kai Kris... pali stous bashers piges? Kopse tis kakes parees...

 

Loipon, ta Prequels einai tainies opws o Lucas goustarei na kanei, enw i Original Trilogy ochi. Fainetai den aresei o tropos pou aresei ston Lucas, alla o tropos pou o Lucas itan anagasmenos na akolouthisei logw periorismwn. Egw goustarw both kai eimai KEWL.
Well, it seems like we can actually AGREE on something, Lord Starkeiller...But make no mistake, I WILL crush you!

 

Exo anoiksei to thread gia opoia diafonia gia PT k OT,pistevo xreiazotan ena tetoiopte as ksanaerthoume on topic se afto!

 

Hi all!!! Lepon mages epidi ligo ksefigame tha kanw to kalo kai tha epistrepso stin analisi tis tainias. An thimamai kala inai apo ki pou pai o Anakin sto grafio tou Palpy gia na tou pi pos skotothike o GG mexri tin skini pou pane oi Jedi na silavoune ton Palpy etsi? So I begin...

Pisteuo pos to mono pou aksizi sxoliasmo inai o dialogos Anakin-Palpy. Oi dialogoi Anakin-Mace Windu den lene kai tipota "vathi" ola inai katanoita kai apodekta pisteuw. Pai loipon o iroas mas sto grafio tou Palpy kai eki o Megistos Didaktor tis Nomikis kai Ritorikis texnis afou exi idi anoiksi ton dromo kai exi emfiteusi ston Anakin ton sporo tis Dark Side arxizei to seduction tou...Kai peftoun oi kakies gia tous Jedi, to trelo glipsimo gia to poso "anekselegti" tha gini i dinami tou Anakin, fouskonoun ligo kai ta miala tou Ani kai erxomaste sto krisimo simio. Pane se ena diadromo ekso apo to grafio tou Palpy tou opoio mou thimizi POLI Sith Temple me tis skotines koukoulotes figoures gia agalmata kai ena skalisto ergo texnis piso pou apikonizi kapia skini maxis(thelo na pisteuo Jedi me Sith)kai to mpla mpla arxizi. Exo mia aporia...MA KANIS JEDI DEN TA IXE DI OLA AUTA STO EKSO APO TO GRAFIO TOU PALPY???KANIS DEN IPOPSIASTIKE TIPOTA???Ipotithetai pos den ton empisteuontai kai inai o No.1 ipoptos gia oti simvaini...Alla me tetia lalakia pou etroge tous Jedi ti na po...Enas tipos apo kapio forum tou TFN ipe tin pio gamati ataka gia ton Windu otan ipe "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi". Kai apantise o tipos..."Wow Sherlock well done!!!" To gegonos diladi oti epanemfanistikan oi Sith meta apo mia xilietia DEN TOUS IPE TIPOTA PIA???Vgikan ksana sto proskinio kai apla tha kathontousan se mia gonia xoris na pirazoun tous "pantodinamous" arch-enemies tous Jedi? Tespa theli sizitisi to thema gi'auto sinexizo.

GOUSTARW APIRA pou inai kafros o Palpy me enan poli ekseugenismeno kai lepto tropo. Den lei diladi "I am the Sith Lord, join me now, it is inevitable" me tin mia alla arxizi na petai ta XONTRA hints oti kseri tin Force kai idiaitera tin Dark Side, mou aresi pou to dikaiologi kiolas legontas(ksana glifontas ton Anakin)oti gia na gini megalos leader prepi na eksetasi OLA ta aspects of the Force kai oxi mono tin steni ideologia ton Jedi. Tou petai to kafriko oti mono meso autou tha gini toso dinatos stin Dark Side etsi oste(kai edo ipoklinomai ston Sith Master)na sosi tin Padme. Ouch mexri kai ego ponesa!!!San na patise ton megalitero kallo tou Anakin. To ide meso tis Force?Poli pithanon...Auto pou pisteuo egw kai den allazw gnomi giati kani tin tainia gia mena APISTEUTA COOL inai oti o IDIOS o Palpy "edixne" ta oramata ston Anakin...Sto finale an den ixe gini oti gini den tha zouse i Padme kai tha zousan autoi kala kai emis kalitera???But of course!!!Simfona me tin tainia epidi ekane oti ekane o Anakin pligothike i Padme kai pethane oxi apo medical logous. Tou "dixni" loipon tin Padme na pethani kanontas etsi MEGALO manipulation ston Anakin afou kseri oti me ton idio tropo evlepe pos tha pethani i mana tou kai telika etsi egine. Xrisimopoii diladi tin pio odiniri paromoia empiria enantion tou! An den inai auto Dark Side tote TI INAI???Petai meta kai to apolita theiko "Use my knowledge I beg you" opou o McDiarmid dini resital otan to lei me ekino to paraklitiko kai liiigo apegnosmeno ifos...

Ton anakalipti EPITELOUS o Anakin(allo spirto kai autos)ton apili kai fisika den ton skotoni...Giati?Epidi inai sofos opos sinexizi to glipsimo o Palpy? Safos kai oxi alla epidi ton xriazetai!Ma ti anidiotelis Jedi pou skeftetai tous allous kai oxi ton eauto tou i tin Padme...To gegonos oti exi feri ta panw katw stin Republic o Palpy den to skeftetai? Kai gia alli mia fora o McDiarmid dixni oti dne paizi ton rolo tou, alla ton ZI!!!"Will you kill me?" "I surely would" apantai o Ani..."I know you would...I can feel your anger. It gives you focus". Eki inai pragmati o autokratoras g..lomenos kai full apo Dark Side mexri eki pou den pai allo!!!Sxedon konteui na teliosi me ola auta pou aisthanetai ston Anakin, to potential tou!!! O Ani pai na sosi ligo tin

 

Poli kali analisi,alla na prostheso ti skini pou ksexases file Azriel.
Ti skini pou o Anakin k i Padme "koitiountai" apo ta simeia pou vriskontai son Coruscant.Apistefti mousiki,tromera xromata to iliovasilema ston Coruscant kai edo arxizei kai ginetai vari to ergo,kai pou emena me epeise gia to pos o Anakin einai etoimos gia ola pleon.Oute mia ataka den eipothike(pera apo tin ataka tou Palps "You know,don't you.....",pou mallon tin eipe o Palps ston Anakin gia na ipovoithisei stin epilogi tou),alla ego eniosa ton Anakin kai katalava oli tou tin esoteriki sigkrousi.I Padme xoris ixnos lipis,moirolatrias ,mono mias kapoias anisixias gia ton Anakin.Giati?Dioti fisika afti exei kanei afto pou o antras tis den exei apodextei:Exei dextei ton thanato,exei mathei na "let go".O Anakin,gematos stenoxoria kai anisixia,etoimos na ksespasei,k telika endidei stis epithimies tou kai me ena dakri na trexei sto magoulo tou,trexei sto speeder na sosei ton Palpatine kai sinepos tin Padme.
Den eimai sigouros an paremvalletai skini endiamesi me Utapau,an tin ksexasame den peirazei,tin vazoume sto epomeno kommati pou tha afora ton Utapau.
Telos,na ksanapao sti skini pou o anakin paei ston Mace,edo fainetai pentakathara oti ta ithele o kolarakos ton Jedi,me tin allazoneia tou Mace.Profanos an eixe paei o Anakin isos na eixe dei poso ka**iki einai o Palps k na eixe epileksei allios,isos na eixe dei tin anagki na pethanei o Sith Lord.Alla tora...Way to go Mace!

 

Kai i diki mou analysi, i opoia ligo poly einai sxedon idia me tou Azriel, alla kathe post exei tin diki tou aksia. Pame loipon...


Afou o Cody enimerwnei ton Mace kai tous allous Jedi oti o Obi-Wan katadiwkei ton Grievous, o Mace stelenei ton Anakin na "enimerwsei" ton Palaptine gia na doune tis protheseis tou. Molis feygei, o Mace leei to amimito:

I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The dark side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor.

E, me tipota! Swpa re Mace! Diladi gia na katalabaw: Anaklapytete enan strato pou ftiaxtike kryfa, me basi enan bounty hunter, pou pige na skotwsei tin Padme, ton Obi-Wan kai epitethike ston Mace ston Geonosis, ontas swmatofylakas enos prodoti Jedi kai nyn Sith. O Palpatine pairnei emergency powers synexeia, the Dark Side surrounds him, ton ypopteyontai, alla apo tin alli tipota den bromaei stin ypothesi. Kai ksafnika o Mace exei tin aisthisi oti kapoios thelei na katastrepsei to Jedi Order. Elementary, my young Padawan...

Eytyxws amesws meta "skoteiniazoun" ta panta, kathws o Ki-Adi Mundi kai o Mace fainetai na syzitane gia to pws tha riksoun ton Palpatine meta to telos tou polemou, efoson aytos arnithei na paradwsei tin eksousia. O Yoda omws tous proeidopoiei:

To a dark place this line of thought will carry us. Great care we must take.

Etsi einai: Opoios erthei se epafi kai elegxo opoiasdipote morfis Dynamis kai Eksousias, glykainetai. O Yoda kai o Obi-Wan isws na mporousan na antistathoun alla oi ypoloipoi? Poly kalos dialogos.


Stin epomeni skini, o Anakin einai sto grafeio tou Palps kai tou paradidei ta nea. Eykairia gia ton agapito mas Sith lord, na to paiksei kalos filos kai mentoras kai na sfaksei me to ganti tous Jedi (me to saber tha tous sfaksei argotera, lol).

PALPATINE: It is upsetting to me to see that the Council doesn't seem to fully appreciate your talents. Don't you wonder why they won't make you a Jedi Master?

ANAKIN: I wish I knew. More and more I get the feeling that I am being excluded from the Council. I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me.


Xm, ayta pou exw ypogrammisei, mou myrizoun i kommenes skines i kommati apo to biblio. Thelw na pw, ti akrivws thelei na mathei kai den tou to lene? Gia to mystiko tou Force ghost? (As erxotan sto forum na to syzitisei mazi mas). Kai apo edw arxizei to "kalo" to seduction. O Palpy tou fouskwnei ki allo ton egwismo, legontas oti "se fobountai, giati sto mellon tha gineis pio dynatos apo olous" kai tetoia. To hallway sto opoio mpainoune, exei mia toixografia apo mia maxi Sith kai Jedi. Xm, fantazomai, o Palpy ebale na to diakosmisoun etsi pros timi twn..."kalwn", hehe!

Otan tou apokalyptei oti kserei "the ways of the Force" kai tin dark side, o Anakin menei ekpliktos. Foberi nouthesia apo ton Palpy, o opoios tou milaei gia tin Dynami, opws milaei gia kbantikes eksiswseis enas fysikomathimatikos se ena paidaki tis A Dimotikou.

"Anakin, if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the Force.

Tou skaei kai ena poniro xamogelo otan leei to "larger view of the Force", ola ta lefta!

KOMMENH SKHNH:

PALPATINE: They fear you. In time they will destroy you. Let me train you.
ANAKIN: I won't be a pawn in your political game. The Jedi are my family.

Profanws i apantisi pou dinei o Anakin sto "Let me train you" den einai kai i kalyteri kai isws gi'ayto kopike. Meta erxetai alli mia koryfaia ataka apo ton Palpy:

"Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to know the dark side of the Force, Anakin, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death. +


Kai G@/\/\W! Tetoia logia perimena na akousw panta apo ton Palpatine sta Prequels. Ara omws, diabase tous fobous tou Anakin gia tin Padme, gia na tou to leei ayto. Ektos an sto biblio pouthena leei kati o Anakin

 

Gia ena lepto. O Anakin den einai o Chosen One? Den ypotithetai tha katastrepsei tous Sith? Den skotwse idi ton Dooku? Re Mace, i Profiteia gia tin opoia milate ola ta xronia einai etoimi na pragmatopoiithei! Exeis ton Chosen One, pou epanalambanw, tha katastrepesei tous Sith kai den to pairneis mazi sou?

Mace:"So the Prophecy says..."
Yoda:"A Prophecy which misread might have been!"
Afto nomizo oti ta apanta ola.


Entaksei, o Lucas to kalypse me to "comfusion", ktl alla giati na min einai stin skini kai o Anakin, wste na dei ton Palpatine na mamaei 3 Jedi Masters kai na kontraretai me ton Windu sta isa. Etsi gia na parei mia geysi apo tin Dark Side.

Exi 20 xronia na parei gefsi apo Dark Side kai tin pairnei me ton thanato tou Mace.Den xreiazetai parapano.Ana evlepe poso kakos einai o Palps,tha ton eixe skotose stin maxi,afou tha kindineve k o idios.Vevaia isos o Palps na eixe antidrasei allios,xora kouventa afto.

Kai twra as proskynisoume oloi mazi kai as eyxaristisoume ton Theio, pou akomi den exei xasei entelws tin empneysi tou kai mporei kai mas prosferei eksaisies skines.

Afto kano oti den to akousa.Dld exei xasei as poume 90% tis empnefsis tou?Tha ta poume sto allo thread,elpizo.

 

MACE WiNDU: No. If what you told me is true, you will have gained my trust, but for now remain here.
Kata th gnwmi mou, edw uparxei ena profanes sfalma tou Mace to opoio se sunduasmo me tin antimetwpisi tou pros ton Anakin kata ton diorismo tou deuterou sto Council, paizei drastiko rolo stin kataklusmiaia exelixi twn pragmatwn.O Master Windu den kanei kanenos eidous prospatheia na krupsei tin dusareskeia kai apodokimasia tou pros ton Anakin, tha elega malista oti den xanei eukairia na ton meiwnei.Einai aparadekto na tou leei oti ENDEXOMENOS NA kerdisei tin empistosini tou, akribws auto to opoio den les pote se ena anasfales kai ambiguous atomo.Episis o Mace den nomizw oti exei katagrafei sth suneidisi mas ws kapoios ogkolithos eufuias.Thumithite to amimito: "I think we must inform the senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished".Nai re man, kolla kai afises.Auta eblepe kai o Ani kai lussakse!

 

Ela mou nte!