TPM is "winning" IMDB's Worst Star Wars Film survey. WHY?

Which is immediately followed by her boyfriend carving up the locals

When a local attacks you with a sword in order to carve you up, you allow them and lay still?

Obi is there illegally and she hopes to find a diplomatic solution to the mess he's gotten into.

Anakin was sent by Windu to talk to Palpatine and duly inform him the Jedi's plans "investigation is implied in our mandate" for the Jedi do their job.

Also that he will be body guard to take Amidala to safety of her home planet "our judgement she must respect". Palpatine duly gives Amidala the order to lay low.

It would be quite easy for her to send someone to Tatooine to arrange Shmi's freedom.

Again you are asking to pay for a slave, when the Queen is against slavery? Unless her people have Jedi powers and can do another dice trick.

And she's in a position to do that because Shmi risked all she had to help her.

No. Shmi risked her son, for which states that putting Anakin in danger is not their intention. Since she?s the Queen was against it, clearly told Qui Gon about her reservations. I promise Qui Gon knows who Padme really is.

Are you trying to argue that Padme will only do something when it involves helping an "entire people" ? Her speech to anakin is all about going to Geonosis to save a friend.

The Jedi can?t get to Genosis on time to save Obi Wan as Coruscant is too far. They were closer.

Have you got your former and latter mixed up? In your post the mission to rescue Obi is the former and she actively encourages ani to go.

No mix up. The point is upon arrival at Geonosis, she tells Anakin that she wants to solve a mess that the Republic is in, against the dangerous and now powerful Seperatists force. So in truth, she had a bigger agenda, not only to free Obi Wan.

 

Padme's a queen/senator. Surely she has someone on her staff she can send to go get Shmi.

 

Loco for Lucas-"So Padme doesn't need to acknowledge Shmi in any way? She's a real piece of work."

Just because Padme didn't have any intentions of freeing slaves when she first came to Tatooine doesn't mean that she doesn't acknowledge what Shmi has done for her but she still has a duty to her people.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.-Spock.

"And if he could afford her, it obviously wasn't too much of a price for Padme to pay in helping her as gratitude for everything Shmi did. I'm sure the then-Queen of Naboo could find SOME means of payment. Watto obviously wasn't too unreasonable at that point.

As Darth Mimic pointed out, what Cliegg did for Shmi was different than what Padme would do for Shmi becuase he was on Tatooine and she's not. Plus, how is Padme suppose to find some means of payment if she doesn't know where on Tatooine to look? Finally, after losing everything in the Podrace, Watto is in no mood to make business with anyone associated with Qui-Gon and that includes Padme.

"She was obviously so busy, she couldn't personally take in refugee families and help them in their times of need."

If it was on her home planet, she might help but what goes on it other worlds is none of her business because she doesn't have authority on anywhere else but on Naboo.

"Yes, because as a Queen and a Senator, she didn't have time to help a woman who offered generosity that enabled her people to be saved, what with her frolicking in fields and having picnics, we can see she's obviously busy."

Your right, Padme should stop doing all of that and start fearing for her life and avoid the perpetrators that are trying to kill her because that is another reason why she was unable to help Shmi.

"Maybe she could have taken time from her romance with Paolo to help Shmi? I dunno, just a thought."

Padme was 12 when she met Palo which was 2 years before the events of TPM.

Gezvader28-
"Padme doesn't have to risk a member of her family to help Shmi.
She doesn't even have to go herself.
She doesn't have to give up governing Naboo.
She has had 10 years."

And she spent 8 of them being the Queen of Naboo and the last 2 being a Senator.

Darth Stryphe-

Who exactly is Padme going to send? Even if she found a volunteer, that person would tell her that it is forbidden by the republic to buy slaves.

 

Point is, Tatooine isn't in the jouristiction of the Republic, let alone Naboo.

It wasn't her place to do anything, and if Anakin was willing to let it slide then why would she take it upon herself?

Bottom line is she is a legal slave on a planet that considers slavery legal.

They tried to buy her, but Watto wouldn't sell her.

What was she supposed to keep coming back to Tatooine every year until Watto decided he would sell her?

This is just an impractical expectation. But I am used to that from people who say this film is sub par.

 

It would be quite easy for her to send someone to Tatooine to arrange Shmi's freedom.

Again you are asking to pay for a slave, when the Queen is against slavery? Unless her people have Jedi powers and can do another dice trick.

So gambling for people's lives is the preferred way of doing things? Wow, the Naboo certainly are a screwy bunch.

And she's in a position to do that because Shmi risked all she had to help her.

No. Shmi risked her son, for which states that putting Anakin in danger is not their intention.

Yeah, it's just her son. No big gamble on Shmi's part.

Loco for Lucas-"So Padme doesn't need to acknowledge Shmi in any way? She's a real piece of work."

Just because Padme didn't have any intentions of freeing slaves when she first came to Tatooine doesn't mean that she doesn't acknowledge what Shmi has done for her but she still has a duty to her people.

So she has no qualms in leaving Shmi in the hell hole squalor that she exists in? Like I said, Padme sure is a real piece of work!

The duty for her people? So by helping Shmi, Naboo is going to fall into entropy and chaos?

As Darth Mimic pointed out, what Cliegg did for Shmi was different than what Padme would do for Shmi becuase he was on Tatooine and she's not. Plus, how is Padme suppose to find some means of payment if she doesn't know where on Tatooine to look?

Didn't she tag along with Qui-gon into Watto's shop? Does she not know Mos Espa? I doubt Padme is a damsel in distress, that she needs someone holding her hand to help her find someone in a spaceport on a desert planet. Anakin found Watto, and he hadn't been there in just as long as Padme, so I'm sure tracking him down wouldn't be hard. I doubt Jedi powers are necessary when asking for directions of the locals.

Finally, after losing everything in the Podrace, Watto is in no mood to make business with anyone associated with Qui-Gon and that includes Padme.

Really? Where do we find this out? Where do we see Watto's refusal to do business with Outlanders? If he were to refuse business with Outlanders, one would wonder why he'd set up shop at a spaceport.

Besides, I would figure after "losing everything," Watto would make a deal with just about anyone who can pay for it. He didn't know Qui-gon was a Jedi and he didn't lose to JUST Qui-gon, but to many people (he said he was betting heavily).

If it was on her home planet, she might help but what goes on it other worlds is none of her business because she doesn't have authority on anywhere else but on Naboo.

What does authority have to do with being a charitable person?

Your right, Padme should stop doing all of that and start fearing for her life and avoid the perpetrators that are trying to kill her because that is another reason why she was unable to help Shmi.

According to what you're saying, Naboo needs her babysitting 24/7, so by that rationale she should not have been able to go into hiding so easily. She was able to take time off and have fun while being hunted down, leaving Jar Jar in charge in her absence, so that pretty much makes your conjecturous points about "serving the needs of her people" bunk. If her work allows her the leeway to flee, especially in the wake of a crucial vote in the Senate, then she obviously has time to go help Shmi. She has replacements, someone filled in for her while she was gone during a crucial moment in Galactic history, so it proves she doesn't have to be at attention at all times.

Point is, Tatooine isn't in the jouristiction of the Republic, let alone Naboo.

It wasn't her place to do anything, and if Anakin was willing to let it slide then why would she take it upon herself?

Then, technically, she should not have gone to Geonosis to help Obi-wan. It

 

Well, out of sight, out of mind.

The folks of Naboo just should be happy their Queen got off that rock without having to pay any type of reward or price.

Let the mother of the 'Chosen One' rot away, afterall it's her lot in life. She's a slave, and no real use to the Jedi or the Republic like Anakin. Why bother with her?

"We got her boy! So, Wham bam! Thank you mam!!!" Sincerely, the Jedi Order, The Republic and especially the citizens of Naboo.

 

We got her boy! So, Wham bam! Thank you mam!!!" Sincerely, the Jedi Order, The Republic and especially the citizens of Naboo.

Maybe if she pleaded for freedom

What does authority have to do with being a charitable person?

How about being a person of authority and then discuss what should be done.

 

Darth Stryphe-

Who exactly is Padme going to send? Even if she found a volunteer, that person would tell her that it is forbidden by the republic to buy slaves.

a) Anybody. I'm sure her staff is large.
b) She's using money to negociate for the release of a slave. Not buy her, bring her back and put her to work cleaning the palace floors.

 

She's using money to negociate for the release of a slave.

This is the thing. Even in the real world, buying a slave is giving more reason to keep that trade going. Unless one devises a plan to release all slaves and in this case, in Tattoine.

But the debate in the real world also continues....

Let's not forget, Qui Gon was able to have Watto lose and in the process lose one slave. It was a loss! Paying for Shmi would be a GAIN, another feather for slavery.

 

I really don't see this debate about Shmi being left on Tatooine going anywhere. It's been argued many times before and until we have Episode III so the series is complete, we can hardly discuss this in a complete fashion. Let try moving on to something more constructive.

 

Let try moving on to something more constructive.

Agreed. I mean, I will.

 

Shouldn't the Senate be the ones enforcing anti-slavery laws? I mean, sure Padme is Queen of Naboo, but she's not a law enforcement official. If Padme wants slaves to be free, then it would make sense that she goes about contacting the Senate and having them enforce the laws.

Of course, that means that Palpatine gets to decide whether or not to interfere.

Out of curiousity, how long had Shmi been married to Cliegg when she died? Padme could have looked into Shmi's situation, found out she was free (Cliegg did free her, after all), and left it at that.

 

"Not buy her, bring her back and put her to work cleaning the palace floors. "

Athough, that wouldn't be a bad idea. The palace floors do look a bit dirty.
Then they can make her plea for her freedom in person, right Openmind?

Again, Shmi was a slave and no use to the anyone in the Jedi Order or the Republic. Let her eat cake, or mud pies or whatever slaves eat on that desert of a planet.

 

This is the thing. Even in the real world, buying a slave is giving more reason to keep that trade going. Unless one devises a plan to release all slaves and in this case, in Tattoine.

But the debate in the real world also continues....

Let's not forget, Qui Gon was able to have Watto lose and in the process lose one slave. It was a loss! Paying for Shmi would be a GAIN, another feather for slavery.

If we're going by "the System," then Watto's loss was irrelevent as the bet was still an act of bartering for a living being as a piece of property. Winning someone in a game of chance is no different than buying that person. Qui-gon furthers the slave TRADING business by participating within the confines of the System.

Now, if he helped Anakin and his mother escape, that would be a different story (and a more interesting one at that )

 

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Guys you need to read and heed my post. Let's move on to another subject ok?

 

I have a feeling that TPM will alway be concidered the weakest of the series.

 

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Guys you need to read and heed my post. Let's move on to another subject ok?

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Did The Phantom Menace win the survey? It would be nice if it did receive the most votes for something.

 

That smiley is hilarious.

 

I really don't see this debate about Shmi being left on Tatooine going anywhere. It's been argued many times before and until we have Episode III so the series is complete, we can hardly discuss this in a complete fashion. Let try moving on to something more constructive.

Or start a thread on it. It is admittably off-topic in this thread.

 

Does anybody remember where we were before this got ah, sidetracked?

 

We were all saying what a wondeful film Episode I was, I think

 

No, I think we were talking about what a great mod I was... that, or why TPM was winning the IMDB's worst SW film survey.

 

And it seems to me that all that can be said about the topic has been said.

 

Except for this:

worst Star Wars movie = fifth greatest film of all time - not too bad

 

I think that all this poll and the poll I made in SWC say is that TPM is the least favorite among fans. Still that does not mean people don't like it. It only means they like the others better.

I think TTT is the worst of the three LOTR films. Yet I still think it is a great film.