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  1. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Ludo Kressh was most certainly not human. I got from the comic that the "impurity" was that the Jedi blood had mixed too much with that of the slaves, and that Sadow was one of those of purer blood (more looking features)
     
  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    That was a typo and meant to be Sadow.
     
  3. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Ah, ok... that makes more sense [face_mischief]


    Yeah, Sadow is closer to human than most Sith.
     
  4. Master_Uxi

    Master_Uxi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    IIRC Sadow has a direct quote to the effect of "by the power of my Jedi Blood."
     
  5. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To make matters worse, KOTOR II decided to arbitarily tinker with canon and make Marka Ragnos a half-human, half-Sith hybrid.

    :rolleyes:
     
  6. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    KotOR should never have happened.
     
  7. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  8. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    This was my other thing...Kun's empire? Did Kun have an Empire? No, owning a Jungle Moon and having an alliance with the Tetans doesn't count as "Empire"

    Carnage
     
  9. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Kun's Empire being the vast number of worlds conquered by Ulic Qel Droma.

    Veitch's description of the events of Ulic's life indicate that there was a fairly vast swath of world's conquered by Kun's slave.
     
  10. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    From Tales of the Jedi - Dark Lords of the Sith (Vodo Baas's holocron) "Naga Sadow was a member of an elite priesthood of pure sith blood who were in rebellion against their fallen Jedi rulers who called themselves Lords of the Sith."

    What the hell?

    Charles...this tells me he is the exact opposite of what you had said.....although it is possible that Baas is full of it.

    Carnage
     
  11. darth_paul

    darth_paul Jedi Master star 5

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    Best non-comics EU since the start of the Clone Wars. Some of the best all-around. And yes, I do mean both games. Can't possibly agree with you. If KotOR included the death of one of the direct Skywalker ancestors before the age of possibly conceiving children, it would still be great and its existence a cause for celebration.

    In terms of this question, I imagine whether there are specific plans or not they are still reserving the possibility of a KotOR3 and we're unlikely to get a real answer until either it materializes or it goes several more years with no work done. That's pretty okay, though. It was a mystery in the SW universe for ages; we can handle a few years' wait to find out in the literature.

    -Paul
     
  12. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Indeed. Continuity problems? Fine. Issues with "True Sith"? Fine. Weak storyline ending for KoToR II? Fine. Fact is, between the general coolness of the games, The shocking Reven revalation, and the fairly intellectual banterings of a crazy old Sith Witch the games are deep in both playability and history. Although Morrowind and Obvlivion are more wide open, KoTOR I and II are as fantastic because well...It's Star Wars. You can't tell me you didn't enjoy exploring the valley of the Sith Lords, exploring the Ruins of Dantooine, finding the Star Forge, raiding Tusken camps, and having the ability to be the truest Jedi possible.....or being so cruel as to force thugs to fling themselves to their deaths. To add to it, want to play pazaak? It's pleasantly addicting. Swoop racing your thing? Give it a try. One on One death matches? Fighting in the Mandalorian Battle Circle? Forcing a Wookie with a life debt to kill his best friend? Interaction - not just between the Main Player and added party characters, but between the party characters? Call them completely canon, don't call them canon, whatever...they were EXCELLENT games. Indeed they were sparked by the Old "Tales of the Jedi" no doubt, but they resparked a similar comic series and we have a pretty intriguing Knights of the Old Republic comic line out now. Tell me, are you more interested in the Fate of the Rebel Fleet in "Rebellion" (Guess what, Luke and Leia Live!) or are you more interested in seeing how things play out leading into the KoTOR I game? I like Rebellion, I do, but face it...the only questions are "Does Sunbar stay imperial, join the Rebellion, or die? How does the fleet escape?" KoTOR asks - What is the full role of Zayne...what is this "Convenant." "What about those Symbols on the map?"

    Carnage
     
  13. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Look at the comic also, Naga Sadow is TOTALLY HUMAN in the comic. Also, "Pure Sith Blood" refers to the DARK JEDI not the race that has been an invention of the Golden Age of the Sith comics. Sith has ALWAYS meant Dark Jedi.
     
  14. Lord_Hydronium

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    [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/c/c4/Nagasadowyavin4.jpg] [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/5/5b/Nagasadowkorriban.jpg]

    :confused:

    Then NEGTC goes and makes him white. Go figure.
     
  15. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Ummmm....that's not Dark Lords of the Sith, that's the Golden Age of the Sith. Frankly, you're quoting the wrong book series for that. In DLOTS, they have Naga Sadow's appearance as this totally human spacer guy.

    Also, I'd argue that...red skin aside...Naga Sadow is totally human in these pictures as well. Compared to Ludo Kresh whose got weird fur things going on and scarab face, Naga is quite human looking.
     
  16. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Sorry, I didn't catch what you meant by "the comic".

    But in regards to those pictures, he's got more non-human characteristics than just the red skin (which, by itself, isn't exactly a little thing). The first one his skull is definitely not human shaped and in the second you can see the Sith barbels.
     
  17. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    DLOTS also says he's of pure Sith ancestry, an exile of the Empire, and a minor adept. I'm inclined to think Siosk-Baas has poorly researched histories.
     
  18. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    True, that's not exactly a small detail to miss. It's sort of like Borsk Fey'lya's problems.

    [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e8/Borsk.jpg]

    [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/f/f4/Borsk-death.jpg]
     
  19. Bando_Gora1138

    Bando_Gora1138 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Actually, the term Sith was first used to describe the race, not a sect of darksiders. Check either Essential Chronology.
     
  20. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    The Sith were first made into Dark Siders when Exar Kun was identified one by Kevin J. Anderson with Lucas' approval for Tales of the jedi and his jedi Academy books.
     
  21. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    And yet Jedi Academy and The Sith War portrayal don't match up seemless . . . and well shouldn't, with the vast millennia between them. Case in point, the "massive orbital bombardment that wiped out Yavin's child. The comic didn't qite show that. But it does not matter, or antimatter, as it's a minor point.
     
  22. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, in DLOTS Kun is learning that from Vodo's holocron, so I'd say go with the "primary source" first (GOTS), which depicts him as Sith, yet the most human looking of the Sith, and hence of purer blood....


    EDIT:

    Just to add, from the "primary source":
    [image=http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1587/sithbloodiv0.jpg]

    Naga Sadow is indeed of "purer blood" but not because he is more Sith, but rather more dark jedi, more human. He's not human, and he isn't called human anywhere (NEGTC calls him Sith), but of all the Sith, you can't deny he's the one who looks more human.
     
  23. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Well, I know Charlemagne must be getting annoyed by me, but you have to admit that they mince words as far as what is what. I mean we get....

    "While Some are pure Dark Jedi Blood"
    "Naga Sadow was part of a brotherhood in rebellion against their Dark Jedi Rulers"
    " "True Sith" were a species. Sith of today are followers of an ideal." - KoToR Video game

    Which brings me back to my original point. All the rumors of "True Sith" running around and I don't even think half of the people involved in the EU know the difference between like, Massassi looking dudes, and Human/Hybrid Sith Lords. They couldn't keep it consistent over a series of two comics with the same author. Things could get really kriffed up now.

    Carnage
     
  24. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yavin + Sith space + territory from Rhen Var to Raxus + Tapani houses + Teta sector + Mandalorian sector = Empire.
     
  25. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I wouldn't mind if KotOR II had never happened, even though I do like Avellone's writing.

    KotOR II began strongly, but it took the series from the cool movie feel it had going to the silly overblown planet destroying EU crap I try to avoid.
     
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