"True Sith"

How much do we know about them? Revan and the Exile went to find them, sence then neither have shown up. Is there anything in the future planned for them? Like a book or something?
They should come and fight Krayt or at least appear.

 

Hopefully they are the Sith species and are pretty powerful.

 

Force willing, they'll be the focus of the next major story arc after LotF.

 

Force willing, they'll all die in KOTOR3.

Supposing they ever existed at all.

 

There's a third KotOR game in the works. Revan and the Exile will star.

 

No, just the Exile is the only one dying alongside Atton Rand, but at this point nothing is confirmed.

 

As with all KOTOR rumors, PPOR.

 

PPOR?

 

We don't know about a 3rd KOTOR for shore do we? I havn't really kept up with it that much.

 

Post Proof, Or Retract.

 

With luck they'll be retconned away as a huge misunderstanding. Or a metaphor.

 

Why do people dislike the True Sith?

 

Because it's poodoo. What makes a "true Sith" a larger threat than Revan, Malak, Kun, or any Sith in any other era? NOthing. YOu know why? Because the so-called "true Sith" ie. the Sith species were soundly beaten by Republic regulars and a handful of Jedi in the Great Hyperspace War a mere 1,000 years prior to this whole event. The Dark Lord of the time and his rival were all slain and the vast majority of the Sith were killed as well. By all sensible readings, the true Sith were less powerful than all the Jedi-turned-Sith after them.

I prefer to think of Kreia's ramblings as being rooted in Revan's delusions.

 

Ah, I see. So the problem is fans making assumptions about the True Sith and treating them as fact. Gotcha.

 

Because they are the ghosts of Vongese past! OoooooOOOOooooo!

 

You joke...but somewhere, I could see this scribbled on a notebook.

The Sith species proper having come from another galaxy eons ago...they could pull a stunt like that.

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"True Sith" I think will end up being a lie...Revan believed it because sith lore believed it...it was probably a legend instilled both by the holocroned "spirits" and any surviving acolytes from the fall the first Sith Empire...the outright denial that everyone had been lost...it's a strong legend for any survivor group in any realm, real or imagined.

Even the Sith have hope, apparently...hope that beyond them is not the end...somewhere hidden, their is a stronger, more intelligent master who can answer all questions and solve all problems.

It's pratically a god-complex for the Sith...somewhere out there...the ones who had it right still thrive.

Well, I think Revan will be dissappointed, but I think he will in turn make the delusion become a reality. He will forge "true sith"...which is what the exile will find...

I'm hoping Revan is the villain in KOTOR 3...it just helps bring things full circle.

 

From my perspective it's because, if they are intended to be a real, physical "alternate Sith Empire" that exists at that time, they detract immensely from the Sith we were previously familiar with.

Still, as I've said, I personally prefer the idea that Kreia is speaking in metaphor (just as she has done throughout the game) when she speaks of the "True Sith" to the Exile - and, actually, I'm increasingly convinced that such is what Avellone and the other Obsidian writers intended.

Here's the most relevant exchange:

This is most commonly interpreted as Kreia speaking about a physical "True Sith Empire" that dwells in the unknown regions that will be the focus of a great war to come. Closer examination reveals that this isn't - or at least, doesn't have to be - what she is saying, however.

First, when Kreia says, "You thought that the corrupted remnants of the Republic, the machines spawned by technology that Revan led into battle were the Sith? You are wrong." She is not claiming that they were not "Sith". She is responding to the Exile's assertion that the Sith - in their entirety - have been defeated. The Exile is wrong, they may have defeated "Sith" but they haven't defeated "the Sith", the overarching belief and creed that will threaten the galaxy time and time again.

Indeed, I posit that, "The Sith is a belief" is the most important sentence in regards to understanding what Kreia means. A belief, obviously, is not a physical thing. Yet she speaks of "it" (the belief) having an empire, a "true" Empire, that reigns "elsewhere".

Earlier, Kreia said this to the Exile: "The Republic was never what was important - ever. It was but a shell that surrounds the Jedi - just as the teachings of the Jedi are a shell surrounding the heart of man." Here she implies that the Jedi teachings - the Jedi belief - is a defence. A defence against what? The dark side, certainly, but also - one must assume - against the Sith belief. The Sith belief that, she later asserts, has a "true Empire that rules elsewhere".

Where is "elsewhere", though?

Well, where else?

The Sith is a belief founded on the concept of survival of the fittest, of elevation of the strong, of passion and freedom... it is, for better or worse, a belief founded and undeniably linked to the contents of the heart of man: the very foundations upon which mankind (I'm using this for ease, I'm not forgetting about aliens) was built.

The teachings of the Jedi are a shell surrounding the heart of man, yes, but they're not trying to stop things from getting in - they're trying to stop things from getting out.

The True Sith Empire rules in the hearts of men and Revan has gone to fight it... "in his way".

So, what about this bit, then?

 

I've always liked Uli's ideas for the True Sith. It kind of fits the idea of Revan essentially going around doing what the Covenant did before by hunting down and destroying all Sith knowledge.

I'm also a fan of the idea Kreia was the "True Sith". I only like this though if Darth Traya was the Sith who Revan potentially met on Korriban and was first corrupted by. If Kreia was the original sin, so to speak, I like the idea what she saw in her visions was herself. Basically, that the whole war against the True Sith was against an enemy that didn't exist, because the true enemy, the true Sith, was Traya and Revan all along, they just never accepted that they could be the true source of all future evil because they were so convinced what they were doing was right.

That actually plays into Uli's ideas about Revan hunting down the "belief" of the Sith. Just that while Revan actually came to terms with the "True Sith" and realised who they were (himself), Kreia died having never been redeemed or accepting the truth.

Hmmm... that is a very interesting idea.

I hadn't considered using Revan as the villain... that's... wow. I'd love that.

 

Well, like Carth said... he doesn't think Revan succeeded.

The only problem with that, and this is a shame, because I was a fan of the idea for a while (I mean, who can really match up to Revan in that era? Honestly? After all the build up he got in KotOR 2, any other villian is going to fall short) is that Path of Destruction makes it clear that Revan is known as "the Sith Lord that returned to the light", not "the Sith Lord who was briefly light again then went bad once more".

But yeah... I wouldn't mind particularly if that aspect of PoD was ignored.

 

There could be ways to get around that. If the whole story took place in the Unknown Regions, perhaps, then Darth Revan's return would have been a piece of history the wider galaxy and Jedi Order never found out about. A tragic end to both Revan and the Exile or something.

In fact, that wouldn't be bad, you play as the Exile and go after Revan, find he's begun this new empire in the Unknown Regions, and it ends with a climactic duel of the two, where you defeat Revan but are in turn destroyed yourself in the resulting explosions.

Not going to happen... but I wouldn't mind something like that. Actually, you wouldn't even need to die, just have respected Revan enough to never tell people that he had fallen to the dark side once again. I don't know, the Exile is female, so maybe she'd fall in love with Revan and decide to keep his legend alive rather than betray his legacy in death or just not have the heart to tell Bastila the truth.

I also wouldn't mind the Exile killing herself, fearing that the dark side will forever dominate her destiny the way it did Revan's, believing that the galaxy is better off without her. Though, that I know would definately never happen, as it'd just be too tragic for most people. It would be a very nice twist on the "let's have everyone redeemed" attitude they always take though if in the end two redeemed characters didn't get the "happily ever after" ending after all.

 

Uli, could you come by and fix my sink? You seem to be pretty handy with a tool.

Sith species, even when conquered and squashed, I wouldn't consider it unlikely that they'd call themselves 'true Sith'.

 

Are we sure that the "true Sith" are the ancient Sith species...?

 

The Obsidian base in my town is currently working on part of it.

 

That would be really disappointing, I think...

A bunch of primitive to the point of savage beings become the "huge" threat?

I just don't see it.

 

Well, they'd have to be from after Adas at least. Given the fact that Sith have considered his holocron valuable all the way up to the Legacy Era proves that his teachings are not something to laugh at. Say we have a number of his most promising students, using 24.000 years building a civilization upon reverse-engineered Ratakan tech and I for one wouldn't want to be anywhere near when they decide to invade known space...