Vader learns that his child is alive: Does he look for Padme

That sums it up realy

 

I agree with KW on this issue.

Butt, I never thought about that before, but you're right. It's kind of funny that when Obi-Wan and Anakin enter at the beginning of AotC, Obi-Wan bows to her because he perceives her as an important and accomplished person, but Anakin is just sort of checking her out. I think the exact words that are going through his head at that moment are "now that's a hot piece of meat."

I don't think he's intentionally being malevolent, though. I'm sure Anakin genuinely believes that he loves Padme. And he believes that he's trying to protect her and do what's best for her by chopping up a few thousand Jedi on her behalf. He just has a very messed up idea of what love is. He sees nothing contradictory about cutting down defenseless children in the Jedi Temple and then only a short while later telling Padme he was worried about their baby. Go figure.

Twenty years is a long time, though. I want to think that he's grown up at least somewhat in the gap between the trilogies, which might explain why his love for Luke ended up manifesting itself differently.

.... well, except for that time he cut Luke's hand off in the name of fatherly love. He regressed a bit there.

 

It would probably explain to him why he saw Obi-Wan in his dreams with Padame. Vader did feel Padame's presence as the above poster mentioned. But as written in the RODV (Rise of Darth Vader, next book after ROTS) book, Anakin was "buried" deep down, but not snuffed. So he knew Padame was dead & the assumption that the child went with her.

There's still the unanswered question of how the Emperor came to know of Luke's existence & knowing it was the son of Skywalker.

 

Maybe he felt it in the force. But then you would think Vader being the father would sense it before Sidous.




Emporer Gerner Dark Lord of the Sith

 

Not when Vader is too busy blocking out the painful "Anakin Skywalker" memories.

 

One question I have is why everyone assumes that Palpatine lied about Padmé's death?

He doesn't definitively say, "In your anger, you killed her." He says "It would seem . . . you killed her."

From the situation, it seems a logical thing to infer from Palpatine's point of view. He understands the Dark Side and what it does to a person; he also understands Anakin intimately. Padmé shows up dead, after having visited Anakin on Mustafar. It seems a reasonable thing for Palpatine to infer.

 

No I think he goes and sees her resting place. I mean he is second in command here. He can go anywhere!

 

Palpatine lied about HOW Padme died. She died because she lost the will to live, not because Anakin killed her (even though his actions did lead to her death). Palps made Anakin think that he killed her just to push him further down the Dark Side.

 

It is not a lie if Palpantine did not know the true cause of her death.

It is a lie if he knew the true cause and told Anakin that anyway.

Do you suppose Yoda, Kenobi or maybe Bail picked up the phone and called Palpantine to tell him she was dead, that she lost the will to live?

I don't think so.

 

I agree with you.......I think that the more 'realistic' option, in light of the points that you've brought up and which make the most sense, is the 'valid' imho and likelier notion that it was Vader's perception , come 'mid'-TESB at least, that Sidious had lied to him years ago..Vader's perception of reality being the key, not whether Sidious actually did lie or not, which as you've pointed out, it's a bit difficult to establish that he did lie without straining the story to ridiculous proportions.

And part of the reason I say it's 'valid', of course, is that I'm partial to the idea.....of course, acknowledging that it's a 'retconned' after-the-fact re-reading of Vader's motivations come ESB, but I think that it's an effective one, however.

 

That is a totally valid point, Vader definately believes he was lied to after he learns Luke is his son.

His perception would definately shape his reality.

Interesting isn't it that Anakin would even expect sidious to lie to him and betray him, it is the Sith way after all.

I don't think Anakin was all that smart, surly if he is intelligent he never showed it in the PT, but even he has to have thought back on Dooku occasionally and ask himself, "how long till it's my turn"

 

so she dies off broken heart syndrom?

 

I just brought that up in a different thread but YES!

 

But it is a lie because Palpatine wasn't around when Anakin choked Padme or when Padme was delivering Luke and Leia. If Palpatine doesn't know the true cause of Padme's death, then he shouldn't have told Anakin that he killed her so therefore, he still lied to him.

 

that is flat out wrong.

he said "...it seems in your anger you killed her"

he was surmising that he killed her, a logical conclusion, he did not state it as a fact he knew, which is exactly how you're presenting it.

I do think it would have been better for the story if he had lied to him, but sadly he probably didn't lie to him.

It's most likely that Palpantine was giving his best guess as to what happened, that's why he used the word "seems".

words have meanings, and those meanings are not grey areas.

when lucas says he always planned this to be the tragedy of darth vader we can demonstrate that is a proven lie.

you have not demonstrated the intent to deceive, the intent to serve Palpantine's own ends is there without question, but we can't demonstrate that he knew she died for different reasons.

All evidence in fact points the other direction, what little evidence there is.

Of course he shouldn't have said, it was a cruel and evil thing to say, but that's Palpantine.

Sometimes he doesn't have to lie to accomplish his goals.

 

Just because someone dies doesn't mean that a person can jump into conclusions as to how they died just like PalpSidious did when he informed Anakin of Padme's death. Anakin didn't believed that he killed her and when he found out that their unborn child is alive, he sees that Palps didn't tell him the whole truth about what happened to Padme because Anakin knows that Padme's death would've caused a miscarriage which will kill Luke and Leia.

A person has to get their facts straight before they come to a conclusion.

 

That's what I was thinking. Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist on Mustafar, when he learned that Padmé turned her back on him, it was then that Anakin didn't care. His feelings on the biobed we that of guilt and pain of what he had done. It was then that the transformation was complete. That combined with the fact that the funeral would have been covered by the Imperial press, would have confirmed that she was dead, and Vader would have had to live with the guilt for the rest of his life.

Vader was still Vader during the duel at Bespin. He only wanted Luke for his own purposes...to overthrow the Emperor. With the combined power of the chosen one, and the son of the chosen one, nothing could stand in their way, not even Palpatine, and Vader knew that.

It was only when Luke confronted Vader on Endor that his old self began to remerge, and his refound compassion was what saved Luke in the end, and destroyed the Sith for good...unless you believe that EU garbage, of course.

 

Well,Padme was made to look pregnant after she died just incase that Vader or the Emperorwould go and check and see if she was dead or not.

 

I don't think Darth Vader stopped caring about Padme after Anakin's "death". Even though DLM brought up a lot of good points, but I think that he probably did suddenly wonder about Padme. Not neccessarily out of love, but more out of curiosity. He always thought that his child was dead all this time, so what else could he be mistaken about?

As for viewing Padme's public death...

Anyone ever heard of someone faking their death? I don't think Vader would rule that possibility out. But I agree that he didn't become obsessed with finding Padme or anything. I like the theory that someone presented about him "sensing" her death. Perhaps, it was final for him at that moment. But then, one must wonder why he didn't sense the death of his child as well...

ALTHOUGH, he didn't seem to sense the child at all while it was in her womb. Padme had to tell him for him to find out, so maybe he couldn't sense it and assumed it died with her.

 

You my friend have uncovered yet another plot hole!

 

Exactly, Vader has let go of Anakin Skywalker.