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Vader's "NOOOOO" when he hears he "killed" Padme

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by jtran10, May 19, 2005.

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  1. jedifics98

    jedifics98 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The "NOooooooooo"...was kinda funny, if u think for a sec...it reminded me of cheesy "stupid" lines...
    like Jackie Chan in "WHO AM I?" where he yells out WHO AM I!!!!!??? lol....

    but in my first viewing it was ok last night...
    today it couldve been funny...

    but remember guys, george lucas wanted to approach this as a FRANKESTEIN_VADER moment...remember
    anakin is walking for the first time...cus ANAKIN LOST HIS LEGS, so thats why his kinda wobbly-walking....so its all good...makes sense...

     
  2. Freedom_Fighter

    Freedom_Fighter Jedi Youngling star 3

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    personally i thought it seemed sorta cheesy and maybe almost stupid just cuz with the vader voice and all that it sounds really funny, but i really think it was a good thing to put in there because it's realistic. if you were anakin, just because you had a big menacing suit on and your voice sounded different you wouldn't just decide not to talk about padme. in real life after waking up even with the suit and the different voice vader would have asked about padme and probably would have did that dramatic "no" thing too.
     
  3. Tredavi

    Tredavi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The no was retarded along with eveery one of his line in the movie. it was brilliant to hear him breathe when the mask came down and then it went downhill from there. It was dumb i think every person in the theater around me kind looked at each other there.
     
  4. ForceWielder5

    ForceWielder5 Jedi Youngling

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    I very much enjoyed the movie, and I would give it 3 out of 4 stars (or an 8 out of 10 rating). Of course, I noticed flaws, but while I found the dialogue bad (as it has been without Kasdan and Brackett) I felt it wasn't as corny as Episode II. But aside from that, I felt the film was hurt at times by unintentional comedy that made people in the theater laugh (or cringe) at some serious moments. Here's a few that I noticed, in no particular order:
    1.) The dialogue between Mace and Palpatine when Anakin enters. While I loved the fight before then, just the way those lines were delivered had several people throughout the theater laughing; as they both accused each other of being traitors, and pleaded for Anakin's help. Just poorly delivered from two actors (Jackson and McDiarmid) who ALWAYS bring it all to the table, which made it all the more shocking.

    2.) Obi-Wan's standing with his hands on his hips as Anakin and Padme speak for the last time. This caused a lot of laughter, as it just seemed like Obi-Wan had an odd look to him, one that didn't quite fit the situation.

    3.) Vader's birth, especially the scream of "Noooo!" sent many into a tizzy. I could HEAR some of the more devoted SW fans in the audience cringe at that one. James Earl Jones's voice is used for Vader because of his commanding prescence, and times of such weakness it just doesn't work very well. I would have much preferred Christensen screaming "no" to Jones. Of course, it was great for nostalgia to see the suit and hear Jones again, however the "no" line was perhaps the most awkward scene in the movie.

    4.) The last one I'll mention for now, and not nearly as bad as the others, is just a segment of ridiculous dialogue. When Padme says, "I'm only beautiful because I'm in love," and Anakin retorts with the amazingly bad, "NO, you're so beautiful because I'M in love with YOU!" Just poor weird choices in a relationship between Anakin and Padme that is filled with them (comparing Padme to sand, saying, "I wish I could just wish away my feelings," both in Episode II).

    Over-all, this movie is a VAST improvement over the two earlier prequels, and I would tie it with (or put it a little ahead of) Return of the Jedi, to rank the trilogy like this: 1.) The Empire Strikes Back; 2.) Star Wars (I refuse to call it A New Hope); 3.) Revenge of the Sith; 3A.) Return of the Jedi; 5.) Attack of the Clones; 6.) The Phantom Menace.

    Great Star Wars movie, however not a great movie (which I think only the first two SW movies were). I was also QUITE impressed at the Secial effects and there improvements from 3 year ago. No scenes looked awkwardly lit, and relatively few elements (like the lizard Obi-Wan road) stood out too badly. I did think though, that while Yoda looked much better than in Episode II, he was still NOTHING like LOTR's Gollum. I read in an Entertainment Weekly article that the Yoda team studied Gollum, but I must say that it should be seen as a failure for them to not only fail to improve at all on the special effects of a 1 1/2 year old movie , but to not even MEET that movie's effects.
     
  5. Holocron_Collector

    Holocron_Collector Moderator Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I thought the scream and the stumbling around were fine. Exactly what I'd expect given what Anakin has just been through.

     
  6. Bad_Feeling

    Bad_Feeling Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I thought the "NOOOO" & the force rage were bloody amazing...
     
  7. aggiesbaby

    aggiesbaby Jedi Youngling

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    I guess I'm one of the few who didn't find that line cheesy. I thought it was a very "Anakin"-like thing to say- the last of what "Anakin Skywalker" would say.
     
  8. Runecrow

    Runecrow Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Yeah, I got to admit I was waiting to cringe at Vader's "Nooo!" because of all that talk, and then when it was happened- I straightened out of my cringe position, looked around and said "wtf was wrong with that?"

     
  9. Darth-Metalordie

    Darth-Metalordie Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The NOOOO was awesome, it was not Hollywood at all. The waving of his arms came about because he is helpless, does not know what to do and has just been fitted with all this mechanical hardware he needs to get accustomed to.

    someone said:
    that woman was his LIFE. He did everything for her, and he moaned about it for what 5 minutes? There should have been some more there.

    Yeah, buy the autobiography. Seems people want a 10-hr movie. I think it was good the way Lucas cut from that. We know Vader is left to his own little hell. Better implied than seen. You end up taking it with you when you leave the theatre.
     
  10. vaderistheman1

    vaderistheman1 Jedi Youngling

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    this scene was great. i dont get all your problems w/ it. first, the "NOOOO!!!" scream. it was fine. what else do you expect him to say? everything he had, everything he loved, everything he lived for-was gone, and all because of him. that would be the worst feeling you could have. and sure, it didnt sound vader-like, but he's not exactly the badass Darth Vader we all know. he's still anakin skywalker. he's still human, and he still has feelings. that scream was pure anakin, and sounded graet to me.
    now onto his stumbling. come on people, he just almost burned alive in lava, lost his legs, went through an extremely painful recovery, had a bodysuit put on him against his will, then gets up and stumbles. what do you honestly expect him to do? there's no way he walks normal the first steps in. man, i think you all just try and find things that are wrong w/ this movie. why dont you just enjoy it and realize it's the greatest star wars movie ever?
     
  11. Tabula Rasa

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    The entire scene worked on every level in my oppinion. Truly sad, and tragic. The finishing touch to making Darth Vader a 'pathetic' character in a sense.
     
  12. JinRyu

    JinRyu Jedi Youngling

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    I didn't have a problem with it in theory, I jusst wanted that scream to be more like the one he had when he lost his arm in Jedi. Only louder and more agonizing, it was too clear as a "Nooooo!"

    Something like where he is screaming and the room is being torn apart, to the point where even the emperor is scared is what I wanted. Not a cleary distint "No" but more of an agonizing scream.
    \\\\\\\
    This movie was so damn fun to watch!
     
  13. anakins_hair

    anakins_hair Jedi Youngling

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    i didnt like the 'no', as someone said, JEJ's voice is so commanding & dominant, that it just doesnt fit in, infact i hated that line, id have just left it without any dialogue during his force rage
     
  14. DarthJealous

    DarthJealous Jedi Youngling

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    I think the scene is awesome, it nearly made me cry and it gives so much more to the whole OT...

    But I think the whole ending should have been timed differently... I would have loved to have seen all the Luke/Leia/Obi/Yoda Stuff, and then a cut to vaders birth, scene start, vader gets up, starts moving, screeam "Nooo" -- CUT to end credits


     
  15. Darth_Ani

    Darth_Ani Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I actually saw his "NOOOOOOOOO" as being his last bit of humanity going right out of the window. It was like at this point he completely abandoned Anakin Skywalker.

    Great scene. Only thing I didn't like was his "baby steps" jumping offf the table.
     
  16. darth_mongo

    darth_mongo Jedi Youngling

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    the scene sucked like the rest of the movie
     
  17. Darth-Metalordie

    Darth-Metalordie Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Did you guys catch Sidious smirking in the background when Vader was in agony?
     
  18. GrandMoffMoff

    GrandMoffMoff Jedi Master star 2

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    The "NOOOOO" was fine, imo. The stumbling around, on the other hand, was corny. I would have preferred it if he had fallen to his knees, but considering its one of only three small complaints I had with RotS, I'll let it slide.
     
  19. jtran10

    jtran10 Jedi Youngling

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    True, just one second in an otherwise amazing movie.

    I'm suprised how much discussion this has spawned, I'm proud of myself ;)
     
  20. DarthTrooper

    DarthTrooper Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It was quite dramatic,and I was fine w/ it,but,in the book for ROTS---it was far sadder----

    Not only when Anikan wakes up he is in pain from the burning skin---but he can't control his breathing,his robotic lungs work for him... as in the movie, he gets up and take his baby step and calls out "Where's Padme? Is she all right?" he hears a cold,deep, dark voice against the autimatic breathing,not his....and [in the book] he does not see Palpatine, but a shadow...that speaks to him and says "you killed her!" and he spends much time rubbing it into his face in a wicked,but calm and smooth way....

    Instead of bending back and screaming "Noooooooo!" In the book, Vader Buckles forword...and screams in a unclear roar....
    NO! NO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!"

    Just in the book, which is far more spacific then i just put...it makes you teary eyed, and, at the end...the book says....

    "This is how Anakin went on, to feel the burning pain of the lava, and that who wanted to save he killed....He tried to reach out and kill the haunting shadow with the force, but something told him it was all he had left."

    ------Or very close to those wordings.......


    I felt Lucas could have followed closer to that, it would have been a lot more dramatic and heartbreaking, after that, however, most people couldn't look at Darth vader as bad as they used to...as somebody said....that scream was the last bit of Anakin leaving for the most part.
     
  21. wookie_breath4

    wookie_breath4 Jedi Youngling

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    Very much agree with ForceWielder5 on all of those points. In fact, i'd add that the first half an hour worth of dialogue is some of the worst i've ever heard! Because of this, the film didn't meet my expectations.

    As for "Noooooooooo!" well, that was truly awful.

     
  22. Darth-Metalordie

    Darth-Metalordie Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Okay, have had enough. For people who went into the film with an analizer (anal detection device designed to pick and debate every detail), congratulations. You have order 66 comin your way.

    For the rest of us who thought the film was great, a tip of the hat to Lucas.
     
  23. Darth_Dreysta

    Darth_Dreysta Jedi Youngling star 1

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    That scene just didn't do it any justice. sorry.
     
  24. Drac39

    Drac39 Chosen One star 6

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    I thought it worked all right Vader is supposed to be a lot younger
     
  25. DARK_VADOR

    DARK_VADOR Jedi Youngling star 3

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    The "Nooo" was just fine.

    What was far worse was the interaction between the lame Mace Windu and Palpatine.

    Or the akward nightmare sequences.
     
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