Vergere and Onimi

So both Vergere and Onimi were highly Force sensitive and since vergere was probably in Shimra's presence on a number of times, it's not unreasonable to assume that Vergere and Onimi came into contact with each other - I can't remember if they did during the NJO.
So did they Know about each other and what would that mean to the NJO?

 

Vergere spent the vast majority of her time in service to the Yuuzhan Vong mastering her ability of "making oneself small": that is to say, she was not visible in the Force. I doubt Onimi would of known of her power, and by virtue, she probably knew not of his.

 

Vergere spent the vast majority of her time in service to the Yuuzhan Vong mastering her ability of "making oneself small": that is to say, she was not visible in the Force. I doubt Onimi would of known of her power, and by virtue, she probably knew not of his.

This is an interesting topic. Vergere was a trained jedi of the old order. From what I read in the NJO, Onimi was a Yuuzhan Vong that discovered he had abilities with the Force. He is untrained and learned on his own I presume. I doubt Onimi would know how to recognize another Force user, especially one trained to shield her abilities like Vergere.

But, could Vergere detect the Force abilities of Onimi? I would say yes. I doubt Onimi thought there would be a need to shield his abilities, at least until the Vong discovered how to detect and hunt down the Jedi.

I wonder if Vergere knew Onimi's power all the time and this is the reason she captured and trained Jacen. Did Vergere know that only a Jedi would be able to defeat Onimi?

 

Vergere was never in Shimrra's presence.

 

I think we can safely say that Vergere was never in Onimi's presence. Otherwise, he'd have done away with her faster than you can say, "I feel like Chicken Tonight!"

 

Typical. Vergere taught Jacen healing, Onimi taugh himself poison.

Healing poison cures the wound.

 

did not Onimi graft sections of the Zanoma Sekotan living ships to himself in order to gain attunement to the Force? That's how I read it.

 

Yes, TUF says that Onimi grafted yammosk tissue into his brain, which gave him access to the force.

 

Wouldn't that be to regain attunment to the Force? The way I understand things, the Vong had done something in the past to result in having their link with the Force severed. Onimi merely figured out a way around that.

 

I still maintain that, as per G-canon statement, it is impossible to actually have a living entity that does not exist in the Force. It is, however, possible to bury that connection within them so that it is for all intents and purposes irrelevant and nonexistent. It's almost like a time capsule.

 

I always assumed that it was that they weren't stripped of the force, but stripped of their "access" to the force, and that disruption meant they couldn't be seen in the force by Jedi. Even Vergere said they had to exist in the force.

But as to Vergere and Onimi, I have my own conspiracy theory. That Vergere brought the Vong under Onimi's rule!

Wasn't only after Vergere went with the Vong that Shimrra took power? And Onimi was a shaper of note IIRC. I believe Onimi was told to study Vergere, and the presence of Vergere (and possibly her tears), along with his own shaper modifications, regave him gave him access to the force. Could Onimi be Vergere's fault?

 

But as to Vergere and Onimi, I have my own conspiracy theory. That Vergere brought the Vong under Onimi's rule!

I like it! So Vergere gives Onimi access to the Force, and Vergere, as a strong Force user, controls Onimi. I have a question, though. Why use a middle man? Vergere once got herself adopted as a familiar to priestess Elan, why couldn't she do the same with the Supreme Overloard Shimrra? She then could control the Vong leader directly.

It is a good theory though. I am sure I can think of a reason for her to want to use Onimi. Perhaps there was some danger involved in being a familiar to Shimrra and she thought it best to use a pawn to do her work.

AG88

 

also, i thought that Zanoma Sekot played a larger role in Onimi's Force abilities. Did he not use living matter from the planet to regain access to the Force?

 

The way I understood it from his rant to Jaina he had already got access to the Force when he reached out to Shimrra and made him execute his coup against Quoreal.

 

The way I understood it from his rant to Jaina he had already got access to the Force when he reached out to Shimrra and made him execute his coup against Quoreal.

Quoreal was Overlord when the Vong first entered the GFFA. The defeat of the Vong during their first encounter w/ the living planet Zonoma Sekot was one of the major driving forces the lead to Qoureal's overthrow.

So i still think that Onimi most likely used some shaping of Zonoma Sekot w/ himself to gain Force abilities.

 

Onimi used YAMMOSK tissue, not Sekotan.

 

This is a crazy theory that I just came up w/ while researching a portion of TUF:

Perhaps the Vong, as part of their more ancient biotech research, even before they were forced from their home-galaxy, had descovered a way to seperate the abality to use the Force biologically. Over time, they had completely removed themselves from the Force.

When Onimi grafts cell of a yammosk onto is spine, he regains his connection to The Force.

just babble really

 

Perhaps the Vong, as part of their more ancient biotech research, even before they were forced from their home-galaxy, had descovered a way to seperate the abality to use the Force biologically. Over time, they had completely removed themselves from the Force.

Didn't you read TUF? Yuuzhan'tar stripped the Yuuzhan Vong of the Force and exiled them. Onimi used yammosk DNA to graft on his skin and found he had regained the Force somehow. If we read the whole NJO logically, then we see that the Yuuzhan Vong didn't give a flying **** about losing the Force because their abilities remained the same anyway.

Onimi regained the Force by accident, which caused him to be deformed, but his mental abilities were increased massively thanks to the yammosk's telepathic DNA.

 

I realize that Yuuzhan'tar was a living planet, not unlike Zanoma Sekot, and that it has a conscience, but I have a hard time grasping the fact that Yuuzhan'tar, alone, is responsible for the Yuuzhan Vong being stripped of the Force. Obviosly the Vong did something that Yuuzhan'tar disagreed w/.

I still hold to my idea in the above post and that perhaps the Vong brought their disconnection w/ the Force upon themselves.

 

I can't remember how they phrased it, but wasn't the Force Striping just a theory?

 

It's the best explanation offered. We know Callista was somehow stripped of the Force (albeit, only the light side). Until we know more about Yuuzhan Vong past I don't think we'll know for sure.

 

still fun to speculate though!