Vong name reveals all??

From Celebration highlights:

The origin of the name "Yuuzhan Vong" reveals too much about them. The origin of the name will be discussedd when the series is over.

What could this possibly mean? Any search on the web btings up nothing but Star Wars pages...any ideas?

 

A long time ago Ghenis and Tim Zhan were having a conversation,

Ghengis: You Zahn are Wrong!

This made zahn go into overdrive, turning himself into Yun You-Zahn, with his people the "You-Zhan-Wrong"

After many millenia this became Yuuzhan Vong.

They wished destroy everthing Genghis held dear in the EU and their mission was to get Lumiya. Then they came to the galaxy, found out genghis was right, and the first step was to destory Mara hence Nom Anor infected her.

Then they went on to conquer the whole galaxy. Simple

 

I really don't know. I sat here for about 10 mintues when I read that trying to figure something out, but I couldn't.

I think that we would not be able to figure it out.

[non-sensical metaphor] If its such a big cat that they won't let it out of the bag, then we aren't going to be able to guess what kind of cat it is just by looking at the bag. We have to wait till it comes out [/non-senical metaphor]

that makes no sense, but what I'm trying to say is that if the origins of the Vong name was of some special secret consequence, then they wouldn't tell us it was of some special secret consequence if we'd be able to work it out ourselves.

That makes no sense either.

eh- I'm going to bed.

 

I KNOW!!!

It's 'Gnov nahzuuY' backwards!!!

 

Actually...i'm almost inclined to agree with Darth Thrawn on this.........at least as to the name not nessesarily its meaning...

 

Well... the 'zahn' bit is 'Zahn'... and the Yuzzies don't like being just called 'Vong'... I think that in YV, it means 'Slaves of the Creator', or some-such...

Was that what they were meaning?

Discuss...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

um...

I really have no idea...however I fing it interesting that it starts with a "y" like Ysalamiri

 

I doubt it had anything to do with Zahn, but I like the thought.

 

Since the quote was reveals to much about them...it must refer to their weakness or such

 

I think if it meant something it would have already been said.

 

Look back at first reactions. When the name "Yuuzhan Vong" was initially revealed, many noted the similarity to "Viet Cong".

Anyone with some knowledge of history want to try to guess what that could imply?

 

Those of you who have the NJO sourcebook probably remember reading about the secret origin of the Yuuzhan Vong. Maybe their name is connected to the secret origin in some fashion.

 

'dude: someone - I think it was GhentZ - said it was a deliberate homage[/b]

Dev: OK, so who's Kurtz?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Darth Thrawn :

Yuuzhan Vong = machines of the Yuuzhan.

 

I'm a History minor (with a focus on military history), and I have NO idea what, if any, significance the reference to Viet Cong has. Only thing close is a guerilla war, but the good guys are now the ones doing that.
This is all so crazy. Since the Star Wars universe is inspired so much by other folk stories (like King Arthurs Court, etc.), maybe we should try looking there.
Anyone remember any stories on an all-consuming, invincible army bent on enslaving all others?
Also, try looking to other, contemporary authors (like my buddy Orson Scott Card {look below}) to find any similarities.

 

Go back to the time when the NJO was created. There was a a military conflict with lots of barbaric acts. Add the Viet Cong.

Yuuzhan Vong = Yugoslawian Cong

The shamed ones are the Bosnians?

 

"Infidels!"
Hmmmmmm

Anyone know any obscure languages?

 

Seriously, there is quite a lot we know about the Vong.

All the Gods start with Yun

Yun Harla
Yun Shuno
Yun Yammka
Yun Yuuzhan

We know that Yuuzhan is the creator of everything, and the Yuuzhan Vong comes from Yun Yuuzhan. So we can assume that the meaning of Yuuzhan is the same in both cases. Yun obviously refers to either deity, or the first to be created from Yun Yuuzhan. Yun Yuuzhan was the creator and through him he created the other Gods, and they all in turn created and managed all.

In EoV, Vua Rapuung says that to call them Vong is an insult, because "it assumes the person so addressed does not have the favour and kinship of Gods or family."

The name in whole must have some relevance to "Yuuzhans creation" or along those lines. Without the Yuuzhan, Vong mearly means creation or something to that effect.

We have to also remember that we also had the Praetorite Vong. The meaning of tha has always meant that those were the politicians, but there could be a deeper meaning to it. After all we havent seen them since VP.

The meaning behind the name reveals too much at the moment, so I beleive it has to be to do with their origins.

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The supreme overlords have always known there are no gods. The Vong obtained their knowledge of bio engineering from an unkown alien race. It is unkown what this race were called, or what the Vongs name and culture was before the presence of these aliens.

Its possible that the aliens are from the GFFA, after all, every classic story line where there is some element of suspense usually has some sort of ominous link back to the original.

If it hadnt been done before I would have said it was palpatine. If it wasnt off limits to delray I would say the sith. Now im all out of ideas, but I guarentee there is some sort of connection back to the GFFA
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end sourcebook spoiler.

 

So maybe someone should go to Google or Jeeves or some other ridiculous search engine and see what's up....that someone's probably me, huh?

Well, I think I read an interview on the OS where, I believe one of the NJO authors referred to the YV's culture having origins in Aztec stuff-ooo!!! wait wait wait!!!

History of the Aztecs-weren't they destroyed by the Spanish conquistadors? I suck at exploration in my AP Euro class, so I need some support here, but didn't they believe Montezuma was the re-incarnation of their supreme God? And didn't all the lesser, discarded tribes join the Spanish in taking over the Aztec empire? So, the whole Solo twins being the YV twin gods reincarnation thing and the Shamed Ones stuff-is that supposed to mirror the weaknesses of the Aztec empire? Am I actually on to something? Dude-I'm so looking up Aztec stuff now!

 

What about thinking of this as Europe in the 1940's. You got the "Eastern Front" which the Vong are pushing to. Now, you have the Imperial Remnant or "England" all isolated and whatnot.
I read in another topic, the thought that you take a large fleet from the New Republic, swing it around the Unknown Regions, or "the Atlantic Ocean" to the IR.
Then they attack the rear, "D-Day". Open up a war on two fronts. Hey, it worked on Hitler.
As to what this has to do with the Vong's name, well I'm open to suggestions. I can't help but feel as though I've forgotten something. I think it may have something to do with the occult.
P.S. Who would be Heinrich Himmler? He was a big fan of the accult, and even thought he was a 16th century king in a past life.

 

Don't I feel stupid now? Montezuma was the Aztec leader, not the Spanish one-that was Cortes. Oh well, I admitted I wasn't the brightest crayon in the box when it came to exploration and discovery.

But, ah, the culture of the YV definately takes some cues from the Aztecs. I did a cursory search on the culture and a lot of things match up. You know, human sacrifice, warrior castes, etc. Well, I think it's definately going to be tough figuring out the exact origins of the YV name. The culture's based on the Aztecs, but that doesn't mean that's where the name's from. It could be Asian, African or some other South American tribal thing. I'll look for it, just because it interests me, but I'm not looking to lose sleep over it.

 

Himmler...hmm... I have to admit, I haven't read all of the NJO books and I'm a bit shadey on Vong names and culture, but I'd guess he'd be someone in charge of breaking the "infidels" or what's his face-the priest dude. That's just a random, uneducated guess, though. Cool theory by the way. I've been thinking for a while that the unknown regions would play a part as would some other worlds yet unconquered, but important to SW fans like Tatooine, Dagobah, Hoth, and dare I suggest-Naboo? None of these have been taken yet, and it seems to me that they'd be strongholds in a last effort vs. the Vong. Don't know though.

 

BitterPower wrote:
"Infidels!"
Hmmmmmm

Anyone know any obscure languages?

Actually, "infidel" is an english word...

 

Also, think of Himmler being in charge of the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem", the extermination of Jews in the world, and what the priest caste is doing with the slaves.
I may be wrong about this, but didn't one of the Vong use the term "Final solution", or some variant, in one of the books?

 

Hmm...infidel...that brings up an interesting point if you break down what that word actually means. If you're an infidel you're worse than a non-believer. "Infidel" suggests that one once belonged to the side of a believer and then lost fidelty to a religion or group or person and strayed.

Sorry! My AP English exam's tomorrow. I should be studying, but instead I'm breaking down the meaning of words like infidel. I really need a life...