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How's the DC All Access universe in comparison to the CW DCTV shows in terms of characters, story telling and production value? I feel like all the CW DCTV show, sans Legends of Tomorrow, are using the same formula of soap opera story telling.

 

I'm only a couple of episodes into Titans season 2, but yeah, the first episode wasn't great. It quickly wraps up the lingering plotline from season 1, and you can tell they just wanted to get it over with. The second episode was a marked improvement, and I'm excited to get into the rest of the season when I get the chance. On the whole, I've heard positive things about the subsequent episodes. As for the CW/Arrowverse shows, I tried to get into them, but I just couldn't. I'm glad they've seemingly introduced a generation of fans to DC's characters, but they're just not my cup of tea.

Still haven't seen Joker yet, going to try to get to the theater sometime this weekend.

 

I liked Joker. Not the typical DC (or Marvel for that matter) superhero movie as it's got a much deeper storyline focused on the specific character's background of which hasn't yet been shown in the movies.

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Of course as I walked out the theater I was left contemplating the entire scenario of the final half hour or so. Did he really shoot Murray Franklin and then get rescued by the rioting clowns on the street from the cop car? If he was rescued, how did he wind up in Arkham in the very next scene? Was it a flashback? Was everything a delusional dream? In one instance he's already close with the girl in the apartment down the hall and invites her to a standup routine - then in another he nonchalantly goes into her apartment and scares the heck out of her; and she acts as if he's almost a complete stranger. Movies like these require multiple viewings for full explanation (unless the director tells you straight out what the meanings are). Maybe there were clues that need to be picked up by listening more closely to the dialogue and other aspects in the scenes that weren't obvious. Doing a Google search on "Joker ending explained" doesn't help much; as it's all just circumstantial fan theories. I am glad that they included the canonized Wayne shooting; whether or not it was directly related to Arthur/The Joker himself.

 

yah as to

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what is real and what isn't in Joker honestly one could take it a lot of ways, cuz it's established early on that he has daydreams / delusions - him thinking about being on Murray's talk show - so if anything one could say "the entire movie was made up by Arthur at Arkham!" As the therapist says "What's so funny?" I tend to think there's really only 2 solid definite delusions in the movie, him dreaming about being on the talk show, and everything with the neighbor. Which is still a hell of a lot considering he has a whole relationship with her. And frankly, unless the director gets super-specific about what is real and what isn't, you'll probably never know. And even if he does, who cares really it's all up to interpretation.

 

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It kind of reminded me of the Mad Love episode in Batman: The Animated Series, where The Joker, upon first meeting Harley in Arkham (as Dr. Quinzel), gives her a sob story about what his father did to him when dropped his pants down mimicking a circus clown he had just seen. Later on Batman tells her another story that the Joker had spoke of - albeit with somewhat similar details - but with a slightly different ending. It carries that theme of The Joker having fantastical delusions of his own backstory.

 

Well, I wouldn't label Joker as a superhero movie. I know it's a generic term just to reference the source material, but I would like to think that Joker is based/inspired by the "one by day" reference from the graphic novel The Killing Joke; meaning it's not a story about a superhero nor all the connotations and tropes associates with superhero stories, and therefore wasn't typical to begin with.

I felt

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the film made it quite clear when Arthur was imagining things, as the movie went back to those scenes where Arthur appeared to be with her neighbor, Zazie Beetz, but revealed that she was never there.

My impression was that he really did kill Murray Franklin and it set off a riot and then he was rescued from the cop car, but not necessarily given a shelter or refuge by the people that rescued him after the riots. My assumption that Joker was just wondering the streets of Gotham and picked up by the cops and then placed in a psychiatric ward. There is no definitive time lapse from when the riots ended and when we see Joker in the psychiatric ward. It could be hours, days, months or years. However, Joker seemed to know that the riots lead to the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne, which Joker found amusing.

However, the whether or not Penny Fleck was delusional with her relationship with Thomas Wayne, to me, seems there could be some truth to her claim that she had an affair with him because of the intimate note of the picture, that's if TW is truly Thomas Wayne and it is his writing.

 

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That was the other significant storyline that left me scratching my head. Did those papers that he recovered at Arkham reveal in fact that he was adopted, or was there something serious going on with Thomas Wayne and he was in fact his illegitimate child? That would certainly have been a remarkable revelation, considering I can't imagine that's been brought up in any canonized comic before.

 

Don’t know why my reply is showing 3 copies of your great image. Ironically how on a Star War we site we don’t see Mark Hamill as Joker. But then, we never saw Mark Hamill as Joker.

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Now there are 0 images. My give up!

 

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Well, there were actual adoption papers in Penny Fleck's file. There a fan theory that Thomas Wayne, having the power and means, could have easily forge those adoption papers to avoid embarrassment and scandal. But again, it's just a fan theory that's only supported by Penny's claims and that picture signed by TW. TW could be the initials of the boyfriend that beat up and abused Arthur. We just don't know since his name was revealed.

So, there are some ambiguous elements of the film, which I appreciate as it preserves some of the mystery to Joker's backstory.

 

I fell in love with the music Hildur Guðnadóttir composed for Joker. It was nihilistic, desolate, and yet enthralling.

Overall, I liked the film. But one of the murders was so disturbing I had to partially turn away.

 

Well if you want to talk about music,

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the scene where he comes down those steps in full attire and makeup to Gary Glitter's Rock & Roll was fricken awesome. You knew that was the absolute turning point of the movie, and the **** was gonna hit the fan.

 

I don’t know if it’s my latest iPhone X iOS 13.1.2 update or what, but replying and making original posts vexes me. I’m terribly vexed.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www....x-sequel-endless-possibilites-1202179299/amp/

So, a sequel to Joker is now a possibility. And if we get a sequel or even 2, Joker will never meet Batman? Well, according to Phillips, not Pattinson’s Batman.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/vari...quin-phoenix-robert-pattinson-1203329997/amp/

And apparently Reeves and Pattinson will do a trilogy. No Joker in 2 or 3? And if Pattinson is a younger version of Batfleck, and if he does fight Joker, will it be Jared Leto, assuming he returns, or Leto’s Joker played by another actor if Leto doesn’t return? Or, Leto could return in DCEU movies other than Birds of Prey, but a different actors as a younger Leto Joker could face this Pattinson. Then again, sans makeup Leto looks half his age anyway and his makeup is cheaper than the CGI they did for The Irishman. So Leto could play a younger version of himself if necessary.

But, Phoenix’s Elseworld Joker never meets an Elseworld Batman?

That said, according to Phillips,

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https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/joker-director-addresses-fan-theory-about-arthur-flecks-ties-to-batman?amp=1

And remember in Gotham we got Proto Joker and Joker, right? Jowecer, Jerome Valeska never calls himself Joker.

 

Another Joker meme.

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I'm perfectly fine if Joker is a one and done film. At this point, I would actually prefer it to remain that way, much like I would have preferred The Matrix do have been one and done.

As for Reeves and Pattinson Batman trilogy? I doubt they'll be able to do a trilogy without the Joker considering who popular the character is and that translate into big box office numbers. Personally, I don't want Leto to return as Joker in Reeves' Batman films. I feel like there was a bit of camp in Leto's performance and therefore really didn't convey a horrific side to the character.



I would prefer the Jerome Joker-like character from the TV show Gotham over Leto's Suicide Squad one. In this scene, without the makeup, there's a dark and chilling Joker performance.



I feel like in a live action setting, the Joker should come off this way. Otherwise, it comes off as being campy as seen by Jack Nicholson's Joker.




Now you compare that to this in context...

 

I always liked this Joker being just a mysterious subject of a one shot Elseworld. I’m fact, is Worlds of DC a ‘rebranding’ of DCEU (which was never an official brand like MCU) or the DC Multiverse? I prefer the latter. And I hope the Reeves Batman trilogy is also an Elseworld. But I still want the DCEU to continue , as it is doing so. I’m afraid a sequel to this Joker movie can dilute, not expand, what we expedience. I hope I’m wrong if they do go ahead with a sequel and we can see how the Joker becomes a mastermind gangster.

In fact, when this film was first being discussed, ‘Scorsese’ and gangster film were mentioned. That turned out not to be true. But a sequel could be a gangster film with nods to Scorsese. And then we’d have a Joker gangster film in contrast to The Batman detective noir film. By the way, has their ever been a genre splicing of these 2 crime genres? I think Lucas’s Underworld was suppose to be so, a story focusing the the most powerful crime family in Coruscant, but also noir elements, like the woman who broke Palpatine’s heart.

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Rey’s grandmother?

But I guess Gotham had noir elements with Detective Gordon and his femme fatale girlfriends. Traditionally in gangster films women are in the background, like Vito and Michael Corleone’s 3 wives, or the sisters of Michael Corleone and Scarface; or Elizabeth McGovern to Noodles; molls. Fish Mooney is a female gangster, while Barbara Kean, Sofia Corleone, and Talia al Ghul are both gangsters and femme fatales.

As for the Joker to Pattinson’s Batman, I’d also prefer one who isn’t campy. I like Cameron Monaghan’s 2 Jokers were great. Anyone for 3 Jokers?

 

David Harbour and SNL spoof Joker...

Not exactly suitable for younglings...

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I don't know if anyone saw them, but leaked set photos from The Suicide Squad all but confirmed the following casting (spoiler tags in case anyone wants to wait for the movie/officially released materials to find out):

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Pete Davidson – Savant
Mayling Ng – Mongal
Flula Borg – Javelin
Nathan Fillion – Blackguard
Some dude in a mo-cap suit – Weasel, apparently

All of the above (who were on set with Jai Courtney/Captain Boomerang) look like disposable canon fodder, and my guess is they're the active Suicide Squad who all die (except Mongal) in the first 5-10 minutes of the film, necessitating a new team being put together with Harley Quinn, Ratcatcher, Polka-Dot Man, King Shark, and whoever Idris Elba is playing.

 

I liked Joker a lot. It's definitely right up there with Wonder Woman as the best DC movies since the Nolan trilogy ended and I'm excited by this notion of the DC film-verse being okay with one-offs and stand-alones in a way that the MCU kind of isn't. I've always said that the MCU films are more different than people give them credit for being in the way they kind of tweak genres, but there's something absolutely exhilarating about DC putting out two magnificent movies as radically different as Wonder Woman and Joker. I mean, the sky is the limit and I hope they keep to this model.

I saw it in IMAX and I have to say it is absolutely the ugliest movie ever released in IMAX. You usually go to IMAX for beauty and spectacle; but here it's all about immersion in a world that is grim and filthy and gross. But it really worked. Phoenix is great, but Phillips did some great direction too. The sequence that starts when he gets on the subway and ends when he's posed in the mirror in the bathroom is brilliantly directed; it's genuinely a horror movie sequence and I found it really surprising and compelling to see that. The way the lights were flickering in the subway car as those three guys are menacing Arthur was so good; and it was so interesting to see a scene where three men threaten and terrify another man; I've seen variations on that scene countless times in horror movies, but it's always with a woman as the victim and I liked the way that Joker flipped that around.

And I will say that the ending felt suitably apocalyptic.

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A lot of times when movies do the whole "this riot is essentially now the world is ending" things, it doesn't feel big. But this feels big; when Arthur's looking out the window of the police car, it really feels like the end of the world and that's good because otherwise it wouldn't feed his megalomania.

Also, one of the real jaw-dropping moments for me was the moment when Arthur says that he was thinking of a joke and then we get that quick insert shot of Bruce in the alley with his dead parents . . . and then you cut back to Arthur telling the woman that she wouldn't get it. And you realize . . . he doesn't even get it. The final ironic punchline is that, by trying to give Gotham what it deserved, he gave it what it needed: a hero. That's the joke. Man, that's good.

 

Zoe Kravitz to play Catwoman in the Matt Reeves/Robert/Pattinson's Batman movie.

 

People already complaining about casting a black actress for a white character

Matt apparently wrote the character with Zoe in mind but didn’t think she could do it with fantastic beasts

Last screen test was between kravitz/Ana de armas/Ella balinksa/eiza Gonzalez and obviously rob

 

Aquaman is cat woman’s step dad

 

Who was cast as Gordon?