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Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lazy Storm Trooper, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    But I read all of your "Ask Dr. Love" columns? :(
     
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  2. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    take that back, I like the videos of the guy who reviews junk food. i think there was one with twinkie cereal and I know there were a few good taco bell ones.
     
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  3. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, hey, there’s Jason S- oh wait, he’s at Bloomberg now, carry on.

    I’m so sorry for your loss.
     
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  4. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Is today some sort of penance day? Whatever you may have done, please believe you are absolved. Nobody deserves this sort of suffering.
     
  5. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Maybe he’s practicing to audition for a Salo remake. “MANGIA!” and all that.
     
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  6. TrandoJedi

    TrandoJedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah because Tim Rogers is no longer there.
     
  7. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Hasn't G/M Media or whatever they're called now gutted Kotaku along with all the other former Gawker and Onion sites?
     
  8. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think I understand it, even if I’ve cooled off significantly on BvS and am more clinically interested in his JL.

    I think he comes off as a filmmaker similar to Michael Bay, but with ambitions and *some* talent more... albeit perhaps just enough ambition and talent to set himself up for greater failure. With Bay, you know he’s a vapid ‘splosions loon, so no one takes his storytelling seriously - if he’s given an excellent script, he can do it (The Rock), but no one confuses him for a storyteller. Snyder, on the other hand, shows that there are times where he can slow down and do a few smart storytelling tricks... but he still falls back on bad habits and is inconsistent, as you noted.

    I think Man Of Steel was pretty decent to very good, all things considered... but that had David Goyer as the writer with most of the story ideas, and while he’s far from perfect, I think he gave Snyder a more consistent story to tell and that he brought a better view of Superman that reflects *a* type of genuine enthusiasm for the character, though it’s clearly the Post-Crisis version, to some audience members’ consternation.

    Snyder himself was in charge of BvS, and I think you can tell his Frank Miller fanboy took over to the story’s detriment, particularly in how he treated Superman. There was more energy and thought out into his Batman, but is still had a very stiff Miller-style take on the character, while clearly Snyder was trying to work through some POV issues he had with Superman. At the same time, the dude is clearly ambitious and somewhat creative... but lacks restraint, and the way BvS was delivered as both a theatrical release and as a still pretty flawed Ultimate Edition show his strengths and limitations.

    Now, for Justice League? I think people have a reason to expect some decent ideas with Darkseid and Apokilips, or that Snyder might have some interesting “Elseworlds” ideas for the League. But arguably more than that is the fact that we know he was genuinely going overboard in trying to give *everyone* a story - which potentially means at least a few interesting gems among the likely shipwrecks.

    ...Plus, the dude had to deal with his daughter’s deaths in production, sot hat creates a bit of sympathy to see how he was doing with the story before WB used that tragedy as a catalyst to have Whedon try to “Marvelize” the movie,
     
  9. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    This is what Zack Snyder said in a 2008 interview with Entertainment Weekly promoting his Watchmen film and his thoughts about Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins,
    "Watchmen is like the music you feel is written just for you. ”That’s my song, no one else gets that but me.” That’s why the fan base is so rabid, because they feel personal about it.
    ...
    Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. ”Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, ”No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go.”"

    More recently, back in March 2019, Zack Snyder speaking at a Director's Cuts event hosted by Vero (via Reddit), the director told those in attendance at a Q&A that those who disagreed with the creative decision to make Bruce Wayne darker than expected are "living in a [frakking] dreamworld".

    I'm sure Zack Snyder is a great pitch man for his films as he has interesting ideas and concepts as he pitched his DC films to be Watchmen-like, and that's why WB hired him. WB took a risk on Snyder and his more modern and "real world" take on Superman because Nolan's Batman did so well with audiences and critics; whereas the Green Lantern movie bombed with both.

    Snyder didn't want to take Superman on a Joseph Campbell hero's journey, but down the path of deconstruction. Thus, I really don't blame Snyder for putting his vision to screen. I rather blame the studio. I mentioned this before that Snyder was "miscast" as director for Man of Steel; especially since he expressed no interest in doing "the Big Blue Boy Scout" version of the character as noted in this June 13, 2013 article from Hero Complex/LAtimes:

    Later in the same article, Zack said this about his creative choices and decisions for Man of Steel:
    In a June 21, 2016 interview with Vanity Fair, Deborah Snyder (wife of Zack Snyder and a producer on his films) said,
    I can see that Zack Snyder was influenced and inspired by Alan Moore's Watchmen, but as Kevin Smith put it he has a fundamentally misunderstanding of superheroes, as he stated in his Hollywood Babble-On Podcast back in March 2016,
    So, Zack Snyder wasn't going to make Justice League the "Marvel way" because it's just not him, and that's one of the reasons why people want to see his cut of Justice League.


    In today's news...

    ‘Zack Snyder’s Justice League’ Ending to Feature a “Massive Cliffhanger”, Plus Details About Batman and Deathstroke
     
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  10. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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  11. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I want to see HBO Max's data on how many people stop at the first part.
     
  12. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    I will watch it all and cry through the pain.
     
  13. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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  14. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    It'll be amusing if there's Superman footage in ZSJI that was used in Whedon's JI and everyone was complaining about the digital mustache removal but it's actually original clean shaven Henry Cavill footage that's in both versions of the movie. The clips of Clark, Lois and Martha at the farmhouse in the latest trailer looked like the same clip from Whedon's JI.
     
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  15. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Hater of Mace Windu star 7

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    Didn’t this happen in the Animated Universe? I’m not too upset we’re not seeing it, but it’s not the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.

    What about the mental health awareness the whole movement’s promoted? I’d say that’s a big plus, right?

    Yes, I know my bias is obvious.
     
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  16. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    “What about that thing observers have called an ultra-cynical attempt to deflect criticism?” is not the most compelling argument that there are no bad actors when I’m not even ascribing negative behavior to “the movement” in its totality, no.

    Incidentally calling a bunch of online posting about getting a film remade a “movement” is linguistically tying you to some online trends you probably don’t want to be all that tied to if you are actually interested in trying to convince me the fan base doesn’t have toxic elements.
     
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  17. SHAD0W-JEDI

    SHAD0W-JEDI Force Ghost star 4

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    Feel it needs to be said again - show me an online fanbase that DOESN'T have "toxic elements". The thing is, if you don't care for the fanbase in general, you use that to imply that the fanbase is generally toxic or unsavory. I've certainly heard more than enough about how "toxic" the Star Wars fanbase is, over the last several years - and yet here we are.
     
  18. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Again, how exactly are my statements on the matter substantially different from this:

    Save from being in the opposite direction and, ironically, way less general?
     
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  19. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Chosen One star 7

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    Is this an ST debate in disguise?
     
  20. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    In the sense that it keeps coming back up when we all should have moved on with our lives? Absolutely.
     
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  21. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Chosen One star 7

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    Well, we have. It used to be PT debates.
     
  22. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    I regret to inform you one of them occurred the other week.
     
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  23. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [​IMG]

    *Pessimistic flute music*
     
  24. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    No. Because I'm sticking around for this one.
     
  25. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Chosen One star 10

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    What's there to debate about ST?
    It's a fun series overall, especially the ones that feature Mr. Spock.