Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

One would think that a "grounded" superhero movie--an utterly misguided approach--would aim for depth of character and sound internal logic.

What we're left with is a Superman movie that only an angsty 14 year boy would hanker for: simultaneously joyless and stupid.

 

They didn't show Zod's strength well enough. Especially the fight with Jor El in the beginning was stupid.

 

Oh yeah, where Jor-El, who had already broken several Kryptonian no-nos, was stabbed by Jor-El?

 

As opposed to the above, which sounds like an angsty 14 year old's response to not getting his own way?

 

He beat the crap out of Zod before Zod caught him offguard.

 

Fixed.

 

William Shatner wants to play Alfred in Superman vs Batman.

 

Cheers dude. Early morning-itis here.

 

http://www.blastr.com/2013-9-25/commissioner-gordon-just-scored-his-own-batman-free-tv-series-fox

 

Nah I preferred the original comment because it sounds like David Lynch's Superman.

 

KRYPTON WALK WITH ME

 

Bryan Cranston for the commish. I can dream...

 

That's being discussed in the Batman thread.

Yes, Supes has had collateral damage in Metropolis before, and yes, Hardy had a tentative trust with him, but overall those are drops in the ocean. There's little real joy to Man of Steel; everything is tight, controlled, and oppressive. The plot of the movie is, at its core, not bad, but the script doesn't sell it well. Sure, Superman stops the World Machines (Genesis Device? Titan A.E.?), but we really linger on the destruction those machines caused. Why? It makes Superman look bad (and yes, I know, Goyer has been saying this is "Superman Begins," but if that's the case, then shouldn't this be a bit closer to Batman Begins? Where are the training montages, the lessons that he learns that lead him to be Superman? It's severely lacking in depth and sincerity, and that's my complaint.

 

Did Kelex escape Krypton's destruction?

 

Well there's no montages because hes learned all his life to hide his powers and now the world needs him to accept those powers. He was only Superman for a few days. He's very inexperienced and he needed to learn on the fly with an invasion happening. He was still testing his limits as Jor El told him to.

 

I'd rather she not be in Man of Steel 2 since it's going to have enough characters as it is.

 

Bruce learned his lessons through his life, except we actually got to see them - "Why do we fall?" - and witness them firsthand. The lesson Clark learns after saving the bus full of kids is that maybe he shouldn't have done that because Jonathan Kent is a paranoid old man. I suppose I'd believe that Clark is learning on the fly if we were actually shown he was learning a thing or two.

 

Its kinda different though. Bruce built his gadgets and either failed or succeeded so he learned through that, what can Superman learn? How to save a kitten? Superman has a bigger burden because hes well, Super. All he learns is morales and right and wrong from the Kent's.

I thought that Jonathan Kent was well done, his concern was for his child that would be dissected and prodded by the government if found out. I read his "maybe" line as "maybe...I dont know." Yet he proved he wasn't a hypocrite when he stopped Clark from savings him later on.

 

Jeff Bridges as Alfred

 

believe it or not i didnt even want batman in so soon to tell you the truth. if i had it my way id continue the mos franchise with just superman. i can lie and pretend and say i wont see it but we all know that aint true

 

This is getting back to the fallacy that Jor-El's statement that every person on Krypton was genetically engineered to occupy a given role therefore dictates "Jor-EL = Sherman from BBT, Zod = Stanley McCrystal" in terms of hand to hand combat ability. The fallacy rests heavily on the mistaken presumption that the writers were troping Authority Equals Asskicking. The problem for people who cling to that view is the first paragraph of that trope page: "In the real world, soldiers are usually promoted for their leadership and management skills, not for their fighting prowess. If anything, senior ranking soldiers tend to be worse at fighting than the rank-and-file, because they are generally older, and they do not train as much because they are not expected to actually engage in combat."

General Zod, in short, doesn't need to be a fantastic hand-to-hand combatant in order to have been genetically optimised to lead the armies of Krypton assuming that was his genetic role. One would expect instead a focus on optimising organisational, tactical, morale-raising, and logistical abilities. That skillset does not have a great deal in common with the skillset for melee. It goes double for the fact that Superman, a guy who's had control of most of his suite of powers for about 48 hours or so, is actually able to keep up with and lock down Zod in melee.

The fallacy also relies on the stereotype that scientists are all nerds and can't defend themselves in combat. It's a juvenile stereotype that belongs only in the high schools from which it originates. Niels Bohr himself was two metres tall and an athlete who could take stairs two at a time even in his old age. There's plenty of other examples to the same effect across history.

In effect, the fight between Zod and Jor-El has more in common with "Sherman vs. Sherman" than Sherman vs. McCrystal.

 

I don't care about the genetic roles, but Zod is the antagonist of Superman, he should be portrayed as the biggest threat among his soldiers. Very very few movie would let the antagonist got beaten so badly in the beginning, because that would demonstrate their menace.

Sure if he had shown great leadership it might count as strength. However did he show awesome leadership and management skills? Definitely not on Krypton since that coup was quite stupid. Also not much on Earth, all he did was just use the World Engine and get the ship, it was not impressive as well, not enough to fill the gap of his strength. Overall, he got beaten by Jor El, his lieutenant show superior fighting skill than him, his plan and tactic was not really amazing, so that's not good enough for an antagonist.