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Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lazy Storm Trooper, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. Darth_Invidious

    Darth_Invidious Force Ghost star 6

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    Meltdown sense...tingling.
     
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  2. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Batman will fly the bomb out before it blows
     
  3. Mr44

    Mr44 VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Only if the autopilot is jerry-rigged first.
     
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  4. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The movie is actually going to end with Clark and Bruce enjoying lunch together in a small café. Meanwhile, Perry White stumbles upon the Batcave.
     
  5. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    I think it was a smart move by WB to swallow its pride and move Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice to March. Why? Because (1) It gives the movie to be played on as many screen as possible (which includes 3D and IMax), (2) no competition means the opportunity for repeat viewing; if the movie was release in between Cap 3 and X-Men: Apocalypse it would most likely effect repeat viewings which is a large bulk of the box office take, (3) Spring Breakers may also give the movie a financial boost.

    I really don't see any real downside to this move to March. I think it's better off in March than going head-to-head with Cap 3 or other summer blockbusters. If it's a great movie it will make a billion dollars world wide like Frozen. Also the fans win as we don't have to over crowded theaters or fight for parking and it extends the season of comic book films to year round.
     
  6. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The quality of the film is irrelevant- AIW may have been garbage which is why it didn't do all that well domestically but for whatever reason it hit a chord internationally where it made more money than any other DC film has managed to (regardless of release date).

    Release dates are still very important, however. Titanic and Avatar did so well because they had legs (particularly Titanic). They got the front-loaded holiday box office like usual, but they had little competition for several months afterwards, clearing the way for them to perform better long-term (obviously at this point is where quality begins to help a lot as well, but if the road isn't clear first, the effect isn't as significant).

    If you release Titanic and Avatar in the spring, they don't become billion+ movies. If you release Titanic in the summer, it doesn't become a billion+ movie (Avatar, maybe) because all the money it made in later weeks would be lost to the higher competition.

    My numbers were right, I just swapped TDKR & TDK by accident. TDKR did make more than TDK at the foreign box office, but the domestic pull is hard to attribute to just the one theater shooting- one area incident does not result in a $100 million differential. Ledger has more to do with that anything.

    The point still stands that one cannot assume the film will match AIW's totals in March when not even a Batman movie (to which this film is unrelated) managed to do so in one of the top 2 most prime release windows of the year and MOS having a significantly weaker foreign box office compared to all of them.

    Again, it;s not impossible, but it's a very unrealistic expectation.
     
  7. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    Even with the March release, I expect BvS to be a huge financial success. The leaked teaser clip generated so much buzz that it pretty much hush the noise Marvel was making with Avengers 2.
     
  8. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It made over $300M domestically. Hate the movie or not, but that's great business.

    The point I was making is that people will go to the theaters at any time of year if there's something worth watching. Avatar and Titanic gave them something worth spending their money on.

    Again. The release date is irrelevant. The word of mouth and buzz was too much for both of those films. It wouldn't matter if you released it in January or July, they still would have made a killing. To think any differently is ignoring common sense and logic. It's supply and demand. There is a enormous demand for this movie. It doesn't matter when it's released. And WB chose the smarter date giving BvS an entire month to itself before any serious competition is released.

    Your numbers were not right at all, unless you think rounding up and excising or adding an extra $30-$40 million is "right". And yes, the shooting did have an effect because it was national news for weeks afterward and the box office dropped across the board for several weeks afterward.

    I honestly don't know what you're talking about. The last two Batman movies crossed $1 billion and over $500 million and $400 million domestically.

    It's not unrealistic at all. It's just common sense.
     
  9. Dingo

    Dingo Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's not unrealistic at all. It's just common sense.[/quote]
    Wrong. There is no "common sense" when it comes to knowing or predicting what will happen to the whims of the viewing public. Especially since your argument boils down to "people want to see it". There are people smarter than me (yes, there are a handful of them out there) who are paid money to analyse these things and they get it wrong all the time. If there was such a clear way to predict things then there would be no sleeper hits, no indie breakouts, and the world would not have been surprised at the performance of Frozen last year.
     
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  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    And since most films tend to match the domestic total with their international pulls (though some under/over perform in different markets, it tends to average out more or less), a movie grossing $300 domestic will generally pull 300-400 international for a worldwide total of 600-700 million. Not a billion. Even if you edge up one or the other it doesn't come close.

    BVS will likely follow the pattern of the DK trilogy and MOS and do equal business (give or take 50-100 mil one way or the other). BVS is extremely unlikely to pull in $500-600 million domestically in a late March release date (or have an international pull so much greater than TDK/TDKR so as to offset a domestic total lower than that figure and still hit 1 billion).

    Kids are still in school. Semester midterms are happening in many places. Most spring breaks are already over. Weather is generally not encouraging people to go in doors like extreme heat or cold does. March Madness is taking place. Easter is happening that weekend- people will be in church or attending family gatherings so weekend attendance (at least early day showings) in theaters will be down overall.


    What you're saying is beyond ridiculous- do you honestly think a movie opening in January or Sept could hit a billion? Do you honestly think the only thing holding it back from happening is because no one has ever tried it? Big budget movies get released in "dumping zone" release dates all the time- some of them are actually good movies but they have no chance of hitting top totals regardless of quality because of immutable factors of when people most often go to the theater.

    Titanic only hit a billion because it hit number 1 at the box office for fifteen weeks in a row within a ten month theatrical run. It had little to no competition for those 15 weeks (especially once they hit January and got past the release of 007)- unless you think Half-Baked, Spice World, Phantoms, Blues Brothers 2000, Kripendorf's Tribe & Wild Things had any reasonable shot at unseating Titanic. Heck, even The Replacement Killers, The Wedding Singer and Dark City never came close).

    If Titanic had opened in it's original summer timeslot, it would not have had a remote chance of making that much money because it would have run up against other summer blockbuster fare eating away at it's totals in those later weeks (specifically Men in Black, Air Force One, Contact and others).

    Remember- we're talking 1997 here. The billion dollar movie doesn't exist yet until Titanic.



    I never said they were accurate down to the dollar- I was clearly ballparking the estimate from when I last checked them for this discussion- and because a $30-40 mil discrepancy is irrelevant when speaking about your 200-400 million overestimations, let alone a film still a year and a half away.

    Correcting for my accidental switching of abbreviations, I said TDKR made less than AIW. AIW made 691, TDKR made 636. 636 < 691. I said TDK "did around 200 less" than TDKR. 636-469 = 167 (or, "around 200", but if you want to round it down to "around 175", fine). And MOS "100-150 less" than TDK. 469-377=92, which is just shy of 100. I said MOS would have to "almost double" it's foreign totals to meet or beat AIW (since you still cite AIW as the rule of billion dollar March movies rather than the exception). 377 * 2 = 754. AIW made 691. 691 < 754.

    Every range I provided was accurate.


    And when were they released? Not March.
     
  11. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    I ****ing love inane innernets outrage.
     
  12. Volderon

    Volderon Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wah, we get to see the movie two months earlier now, the sky is falling. Give me a break. If the movie was gonna suck monkey balls it would still suck two months later, the only difference is you don't get to waste a nice summer day on it.

    I dunno about the rest of you but here in Canada it's terrible weather until about May, so good news is a crap ton of people in Canaduh are going to be in the theatres that day.
     
  13. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    What in the holy **** happened in here.

    We've gone from outrage to outrage, fortune tellers, and numbers.
     
  14. Saintheart

    Saintheart Force Ghost star 6

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    This is what happens when anxious Marvel fanboys need to deal with their inferiority complexes. :p
     
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  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Hey, I'm actually being positive here- just within reason. :)
     
  16. Saintheart

    Saintheart Force Ghost star 6

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    You don't fool me, 2ndQuest, with your charmingly-irreverent-towards-Star-Wars avatar and your nuclear post count and your black and gold colours, you'd happily substitute Han Solo's head for that of Henry Cavill in a heartbeat :p :p :p
     
  17. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    Nut jobs also think they operate within reason.
     
  18. Samwise_Skywalker

    Samwise_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    A decade ago, this might be true, but it's not right now. The Chinese market for instance is nearly as big as the North American market. The last Transformers film made significantly more in China than it did in the U.S. Like I said, I'm not sure if you follow the box office, but it doesn't seem like you do.

    There's no reason to expect this because it's not solely a Batman or Superman movie, it's a Batman/Superman movie with Wonder Woman. It has more mass appeal than any of the two franchises alone.

    Alice was a far more direct kids/family movie and it pulled in over $110 million in its March opening. Again, release date is irrelevant if the demand is there.

    This is because they've never released a huge tentpole film in January, instead letting the holdovers from December ride them through the month. I'm sure a studio will attempt it though soon enough.

    Titanic hit $600M domestic because people wanted to see it and yes, those months, especially back then were typically dry months at the box office, but the demand was still there and movies that surely would have done better didn't because of the demand.

    I agree. Titanic was a Christmas release and they lucked out that it got bumped back. But it still would have certainly made a killing on any release date, because they made a movie that people wanted to see, especially once word of mouth started. It's a three-hour plus drama and not a 110 minute action movie, it suits Christmas much more anyway. Your argument makes little sense. It's like saying Star Wars wouldn't make any money during the summer because there's too much competition. Supply - demand.

    You said the Batman movies didn't make $1 billion because...that's what you said.

    Honestly, do you think I meant that BvS was going to make $1 billion domestic? Because I didn't.
     
  19. Rogue1-and-a-half

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    o_O
     
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  20. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Time-Traveling F&G Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I... I wouldn't mind that ending actually. I've always headcanoned that at some point Perry figured out Clark=Superman, so I'd be giddy if Perry somehow stumbled onto the Batcave.:)
     
  21. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Personally, I think Superman v Batman is going to end up like Alien v Predator, because Batman is so much more appealing in a universe where people aren't from Krypton and can't fly or lift aircraft carriers with their bare hands.

    Not that Avengers is any better. Thor. Jesus.
     
  22. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Clearly, as Ramza was alluding, BvS is going to end in the HISHE cafe with the two dudes in costume hanging out, ending on "I'm Batman..."
     
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  23. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Now there's a concept. Thor v. Jesus!

    Admit it, you'd see the **** out of that movie.
     
  24. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Thor vs Jesus I'd see in a heartbeat. Or Superman vs. Jesus.

    Or Justice League vs. Satan
     
  25. Darth_Invidious

    Darth_Invidious Force Ghost star 6

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    The Nordic Thunderer vs. The Hebrew Hippie?

    Take my money, please.