Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds

If you were a shopkeeper, you'd yell "Beckinsaled!!!" every time you rang someone up, wouldn't you...

 

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Because it's basic logic of sentient beings, and they did have other colonies and could create the colony with certain items. That means they would have chance to recreate a Krypton.

Well the proof is clear, his coup failed very soon, and he was the general of the army, that clearly was not impressive.

Of course he needed to prepare well, otherwise it would not help his people at all. There is the colonies and the Phantom Zone, he could just send people, as many as possible to either outer space or the Phantom Zone to avoid the destruction. Sure a coup might still fail, but a one day failure, is not something impressive.

If the council understood it, they totally should have evacuated the people out of Krypton, they totally had the technology to do so.

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Because it was targeted to Earth, rather being shot down, the scout ship on Earth was destroyed when Superman's Heat Vision damaged it. And Krypton's atmosphere is much more harsher than Earth, the gravity is much stronger.

Kal El is not human, the war would cause him to hide away, which would greatly increase the difficulty for Zod to get the Codex.

As long as it's official, it's canon.

He didn't say anything wrong from his view. He is not human but Kryptonian. He never changed his view that's why he wanted to reshape Earth at the cost of humanity's destruction.

 

He stayed because he was mad at Kal-El for rejecting his heritage, as well as refusing to give him the Codex, and was angry at Jor-El still, for betraying him in the first place. He cannot move on without the Codex, you know, the very thing necessary to start colonization. He starts the process of converting Earth to punish Kal-El for his defiance. That's all the motivation you need. What you're asking for is something that goes against Zod's character, because he doesn't care about others in the strictest sense. Only what drives him which is the protection and salvation of Krypton. He chooses Earth because he's already there. He doesn't care about the people of Earth, only the people of Krypton. Clark tells him that he puts the lives of an entire planet over an entirely dead one.

Superman comics haven't had this, "real joy" for a long time. What is real joy, anyway? Anyway, the destruction is shown because we're seeing what the damage is and what Superman can do to fix it. You cannot expect Superman stop everything by using harsh language. Batman has to trash Gotham to save it. In "Batman Begins", he trashes the police cars and damages some buildings to save Rachel. Later, he sacrifices the Wayne building and the elevated train tracks to stop Ra's. In "The Dark Knight", he tore through buildings and blew up some cars to chase the Joker down and save Harvey Dent. In "The Dark Knight Rises", some of the buildings are damaged while trying to get to Talia and the bomb. In superhero battles, cities and towns are destroyed as a consequence of the conflict.

Exactly. That's more Superman's core story, which is the morality, than the physical actions. That's why most of the time, we don't see Clark learning to use his abilities. He just does. "Smallville" used the powers bit when new ones debuted, but the rest of the time was about the morality of Clark choosing to save people and deciding when he was ready.

I could see Diana and Kara being in the film, if it is along the lines of "The Supergirl From Krypton"/"Apocalypse".

It's definitely different from the traditional role of Jor-El, who wasn't into violence on principle. He usually had to outsmart those that he came in contact with, in order to achieve a victory. The most action he ever really had was in "Last Son Of Krypton", where he had to escape from the security forces after Brainiac lied about his attempt to sabotage him.

Note that in "Batman Begins", Bruce is about to kill Joe Chill when he's stopped by Falcone's assassin. It is Rachel who tells him that Thomas would be ashamed of him and it is through his world experiences, that he chooses not to kill. Unlike in the comics where he states outright that he won't kill, before he even begins the training.

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And in the comics, Superman still killed after being raised to not do so. There was also a difference between Donner and Snyder, which is that the former had Clark just choose to not to do it simply because. Snyder choose to have it, so that Clark would face the temptation down the road, but also know that he didn't enjoy it. Something that was brought up in the stories following "The Supergirl Saga", as detailed in "Exile" and "Ending Battle". ​

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Clark does try to take the fight away, but keeps getting knocked back down in doing so. Just as he tried it with Doomsday and kept failing at it. You don't see the Avengers try to take the fight out of the city. ​

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In "Superman II", people were still going about their business while the Metropolis showdown was going on. Guy is on the phone, people eating at KFC, woman walking her baby stroller, etc. ​

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When you've got Spider-Man who only becomes a hero after his uncle is killed because of his actions and Batman who yells, "I'm the Goddamned Batman" while breaking bones and blowing up cars, is it any wonder why people gravitate towards that. ​

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No, Burton was doing what the comics were doing. It was the studio that cared more about the dollar. They had to learn the lesson the hard way. Note that "The Dark Knight Rises" made $150 million in merchandising and "Man Of Steel" made $170 million. ​

 

The gaping hole in that "basic logic" is that Zod and his crew had access to precisely none of those things when they re-emerged from the Phantom Zone to find Krypton destroyed. Remember, spaceflight and the colonies had been abandoned for an indeterminate period of time - if not thousands of years, with the colonies (as told to us by AI-Jor-El) losing contact with Krypton and subsequently withering off and dying completely. Not to mention that it's equivocal on the film whether Krypton still had the capacity to produce supralight-capable craft. Jor-El's vessel was constructed by jury-rigging a Phantom Drive into basically a hyperspace drive; Zod's prison ship is only capable of doing the same trick because they -- or should I say, they under Zod's leadership and management of limited resources copy Jor-El. When Zod comes out of the Phantom Zone with his crew, they ain't got a World Machine and they ain't got a hyperdrive of their own. They don't get a World Machine with which to build another Krypton until they've spent three decades wandering halfway across the galaxy cobbling resources out of what are dead colonies. At the point where they first come out of the Phantom Zone, the movie shows you right in your myopic face that they are devastated. And from the images that follow, it is very heavily implicit that it's Zod who holds the crew together by force of personality and marshalling his resources, across thirty years of searching the galaxy. Your "basic logic of sentient beings" is plain old Nerd Fallacy in another form.

Wrong again. As I said, you have no proof saying it was "not impressive" because you don't have one scene where Zod and his men pronounce themselves sure the plan will work, or any detail about their preparations. Indeed, even Jor-El isn't sure it will work - reviewing the coup scene, Jor-El himself says "If your forces prevail" to Zod. You do have a scene of utter chaos outside the Council chambers when Jor-El gets away, though: a pitched battle between Zod and (presumably) the Council's forces. Zod is not portrayed as overconfident in any of those scenes and he certainly manages to bust in and capture the Council without a lot of resistance. I'd call that a pretty damn impressive start to a coup whichever way you cut it. And like I said, you have no proof of why the coup failed - in particular, no proof that Zod somehow failed in leading his men which therefore ended the coup. As I said: there's any number of reasons a coup can fail, and not all of them require a failure of leadership. Your problem, and your blind spot, is that you don't have anything on screen to say it was a failure of leadership as opposed to some other reason, and once again your argument is invalid.

See above about the fact it's equivocal whether or not Krypton had any more space-capable vessels. It's heavily implied they didn't absent Zod's craft which seems to have been more a container for the Phantom Zone rather than a ship for travel between stars.

As to whether the Council understood it: fail on your part again, because Jor-El says during the Council scene that he warned the Council of the risks in harvesting the core. In reply, the Council says "What else were we supposed to do?", and you have AI Jor-El's testimony that Krypton's natural resources had been exhausted. In the same scene the Council expresses incredulity when he suggests they should evacuate the planet - not that it matters because Jor-El says that everybody still on the planet is already dead, something he repeats to Zod by saying if his coup succeeds he'll be the leader of nothing. I would have argued it was almost implicit from the Krypton scenes that attempting travel to other planets was either illegal or that there weren't the resources left for it. If the Council itself was incapable or unwilling to building interstellar vessels, I don't see why you reckon it was such a hot idea for Zod to do it. Oh, can you also please provide Rigourous Proof (tm) that Zod had sufficient natural resources under his control to build starships, given AI Jor-El's assertion that the planet was in essence exhausted of its reserves?

Fail again. Perhaps you don't quite get the implications. Kal-El's ship withstood re-entry at hundreds of miles per hour to Earth's atmosphere and then crash-landed without suffering any noticeable damage and without any harm at all to the infant inside it. Krypton's atmosphere being harsher than Earth, and the gravity being stronger, only makes fuel demands and reaction mass higher and structural integrity stronger. It doesn't mean the craft is any less durable in Krypton's atmosphere or that a weapon can't be targeted so as to bring it down disabled but safely; if anything, Kal-El's safe arrival on Earth suggests sophisticated construction such as to avoid hard impacts in the event of an uncontrolled descent. Note that Zod's own ships have anti-gravity paraphenalia allowing them to hover above the Earth.

Your assertion is still not logically consistent. You said they are godlike beings on Earth with vastly superior technology. They can literally kill every living thing on the Earth and then look for the only survivor, which necessarily would be Kal-El.

No, it isn't. Fanboys like to think that arbitrarily-declared "canon" by a company equates with the writer's intent. It doesn't. All that does matter is the actual narrative shown on screen and what the writer and director say about what's on screen. The rest is nothing but marketing and trying to make you and your friends either see the movie or buy copies of the DVD rather than download it. Sorry to break that to you. George Lucas, at least, is the most honest about it: what he has said, ever since the very day some nitpicker pointed out that clones aren't made in Spaarti cylinders, is that the EU is an alternate universe that he really didn't give a crap about or feel he had any need to follow or honour when writing the PT.

...And his point of view has just been shattered because his whole purpose was to defend Krypton's people. That sort of thing can -- and in Zod's case, does -- make you mentally unbalanced.

 

And on that note, I'm going to stop doing this:



And start doing this when this guy posts:

 

Yeah, I think it's hopeless to continue debating with the User I Shall Not Name when his POV is so myopic and he cannot help to answer in poorly thought-out or worded non-sequiturs. Also, the Ignore button works like a charm (except on damn Tapatalk, unfortunately).

 

But we have not circled the drain on why Brainiac will be in MoS 2 and which actress isn't too old to play Wonder Woman! Because fan trailers!

 

it wont be braniac itll be lex. do people really believe after all the destruction at the end of mos they will bring in another villain to do the same so quickly? i will say if lex is in what they should do is instead of the same old im a mastermind crap . why not have him run as president where he campains to have the people fear superman and how superman destroyed metropolis in the battle with zod? have luthor turn the people against kal-el

 

It's kinda hopeless at this point, Ender. The Flood has spread and it seems there's no stopping it.

 

Plus, since "sees" is neither a contraction of "see + the verb is" nor denoting ownership of It by See, a signature with "a realist who calls BS he see's it" is grammatically incorrect. Plus, since none of those words a proper nouns, a capital is required only at the start and for BS. Ironically everything but the first was capitalised. El oh el. sons_of_anakin_tatooine:

a Realist Who Calls B.S When He See's It. = wrong
A realist who calls BS when he sees it = right.

 

Oh I loved it. But shut up Juliet. You can't criticise until your music isn't the most awful thing ever.

 

That's also a wasted effort. As SOAT sees it, theres no rools to gramarz and he can rite as it pleezes him

 

As he sees it, I'm a Muslim. Check the last or second last page of the gif thread. It's true. I'm an Islam.

Maybe even the Islam.

 

I'm sorry, you're too old to play the Islam...

 

I saw that, plus that other thread. But seriously homie, WTF. You want a fatwa called on your head on account of trolling an ignoramus? So not worth it, IMO.

 

At least I can understand what Sloppyposter is saying 26% of the time. With Sonsoflulz, I need subtitles.

 

Not only that, if I had actually started threads in praise of Islam as claimed, it might've made slightly more sense.

As in, 10bps more sense. From 0.00 to 0.10.

 

So yeah, how about those DC movies, huh?

 

What DC movies? There is currently one DC movie actually in production for the future. How about you close this pointless thread instead, since there's not an actual topic to discuss in the first place?