Was Kreia's prophecy about the end of the Mandalorians wrong?

When i beat TSL Kreia/Darth Traya told me that the Mandalorians would be destroyed thousands of years later by a jedi knight and that they would cease to exist afterwards, obviously she was refering to Mace Windu defeating Jango Fett and cutting his head off right afterward.

Yet the Mandalorians did not cease to exist or become extinct, Boba Fett remained a Mandalorian at heart all of his life, he even traveled to Mandalore and made the people strong again, strong enough to wage a war of their own on the Yuuzhan Vong during their invasion and attempted takeover of the Mandalore System, they also opposed Darth Caedus and his regime and survived the war.

over a hundred years later Hondo Karr was alive as a Mandalorian too.

It seems like the dark side of the force clouded Kreia's visions, i doubt that the force would have died like she belived it would either, had someone tried to cause the death of the force.

 

Kreia was a nut job who had it wrong on quite a few things.

 

I assume we just have to take this the same way as the Chosen One prophecy, i.e. the Mandalorians were destroyed... and then Boba Fett rebuilt them. Or something along those lines.

My Mandalorian history is not that good though so I can't really elaborate much.

 

Presumably the Mandalorians - as a warrior group - had continuity up to Galidraan. The order was rebuilt from scratch, and even then didn't amount to much until the NJO era.
I consider it as valid a prophecy as (hypothetically) saying the "Republic will be destroyed by the Sith and an Empire raised in its place." The creation of the New Republic doesn't invalidate the prophecy.

 

Or it meant another time when the Mandalorians will be crushed.

Hopefully for good next time.

It's amazing how they can keep learning the same lesson in humility over and over again then forget it.

 

Perhaps they're not learning that lesson then? As far as the Mandalorians go, as long as plenty of random people die, and they get to wear space marine armor and do big, tough, manly things for a while they've earned plenty of "honor" to offset failure.

 

What blackmyron said: the Mandalorian warrior-culture was annihilated at Galidraan. Mandalore the Resurrector's crew was composed of individuals who were ethnically but not culturally Mandalorians; he basically built them from scratch.

And even in Traviss-land, Boba Fett was never a Mandalorian at heart.

 

IIRC, Travis-land didn't exist when Kreia was around.

 

The probability that Kreia was just batpants insane is very high....but if she wasn't, it still could work out.

I don't remember her exact phrasing, but it could be that Jango's beheading could have heralded the beginning of the end of the Mandalorians. We know they exist at least up to Legacy (We don't know for sure that they exist during) but their overall impact has been waning. They were once conquerors of entire worlds, people that had the Republic on the ropes in a war. By LoTF, they couldn't even save an ally from occupation by a hostile force. Soon, they may not be able to hold their own ground and their "Culture" may be reduced to a few roaming bounty hunters/mercenaries that claim to follow the Mando code but don't hold a candle when it comes to skill or veracity of the Mandos of old.

Empires and Cultures will rise and fall. That the Mandos have lasted as long as they did being the loners that they are is quite impressive. I am in favor of them breathing their dying gasp during the Sith-Imperial War or something.

 

Another theory just for the sake of discussion -- the Mandalorians were 'killed off' when Windu topped Jango Fett, but then a whole army of Jangos rose in his place in the Grand Army of the Republic. Although they were all clones, they were Mandalorian at heart, and the Mando culture quickly began to permeate the ranks of the GAR. One could say that after Jango died, the clone army injected some life back into the Mandalorian nation.

Plus, those who died at Galidraan couldn't have been every Mando in the galaxy. They were a nomadic culture, and so there were probably dozens of other warriors dispersed throughout random worlds.

 

Kreia has the clones covered:

"Shell of their armour on the shell of a man"

 

The "Mando culture" didn't permeate throughout the clone army, only with a select few; and the Empire would've wiped out any non-Imperial influence once it began anyways.

 

Well first and for most Mandalorians are and idea, and you can't destroy an idea. If all die now, then some one can easly pick up where they left off then. Simple as that.

and Kriea had it right all the way up to Jango.

 

Its the Sith that need to learn some humility. It seems that no matter how many times they lose, sometimes pathetically, they always come back and cackle how much stronger they are than the weak Jedi, and then have the gall to act surprised when they lose, again! Especially since Palpatine is the only one to try anything new in his take over the galaxy plans.

About Kreia: Crazy or not "always in motion is the future.", things may simply have changed since Kreia last looked.

 

To be fair, the Sith don't usually lose because the Jedi as an Order are more powerful but because:
A) They're betrayed from within
B) An uber Jedi arises in the galaxy's time of need
C) Some combination of the above

In Sith War I, it's Ulic turning traitor that sees Kun defeated. In Sith War II, the Sith are ****ing all over the Jedi until Revan gets on side. During the Dark Wars, the Jedi have been wiped out and it's only the Exile's crazy nature that allows her to defeat Darth Nihilus (and Kreia, for her part, is well aware of the narrative causality that drives the Universe). Ruin is betrayed by his own followers. The Jedi only defeat the Sith at Ruusan because Bane orders the Sith blockade to disperse... etc.

Good only triumphs because of Force plot, in other words.

 

Well, in all fairness
1) Treachery is something to expected from Sith philosophy, so it hardly plot if that happens.
2) The Sith are often only a threat because of plot. The Great Sith War for example: Most of the Sith military might comes from single star system, existing in a state of civil war, fighting mostly with out dated weapons. Also some primitive brutes, a small number of jedi and some crazy warrior dudes...all of which should be nothing against the might of the entire galaxy.

 

Well in the Legacy comic, there aren't many Mandalorians around and it has been said that we will eventually find out why there are so few... So maybe they were beaten for good in Kol Skywalker's time

Also, why would it have stopped with Jango's death? There was still a whole planet of them.. not only 1. That's like saying after JFK was shot that the entire USA had to stop being the USA

 

True. Let's limit that to when they're betrayed by Sith who have a change of heart, in that case.

It was larger than the comics, IMO. The Mandalorians acquired a whole bunch of modern weaponry and designs during the raid on Coruscant, too... which I imagine was near the start of the war, rather than being the main part of it.

 

When you say great sith war, are you referring to the hyperspace war or the old republic post kotor war? just curious.

What is bugging me is that the mandos seem to appreciate repetitive history.
#1 Hyperspace conflict, Sith hire mandalorians to wage war on the republic.
#2 Neo Crusaders decide to do it again, thanks to sith. get beaten again
#3 Wait 300 years, then totally rehash #2 and put it in an MMO setting.

I just wish that they could've taken some more liberties with TOR time period. Instead, it looks like the GCW mixed with the legacy comics, as well as completely disregarding Palpy's statement of creating the First Galactic Empire.

Both the Mandalorians and the Sith are losing their sting as bad guys from excessive over use in the EU.
I like kill crazy mandos as much as the next guy, but the situational adversary syndrome that has plagued them so long is wearing quite thin

 

I believe that the poster is refering to the Exar Kun, Ulic- Qel Droma war. Which happens forty years before KOTOR and about a thousand years or so after the Great Hyperspace war. Ulic leads the Krath and the Mandos on a raid of Coruscant but gets betrayed by Alema Keto his lover who orders the Mandos to fall back. These are actual Taung mando's not the later mostly human mandos.

 

Ok, agreed.

I understand that. Matter of fact, that is entirely my problem: it stretches my suspension of disbelief that they were capable of maintaining a prolonged war against a such massive political entity as the Republic with so few resources. I could easily imagine winning a few, quick victories like in the comic, but eventually population and industry would have won out. Now, I suppose the Mandolorians did steal quite a few of the Republic's fancy weapons, as did the Krath (also, I suppose they did capture worlds beyond the Koros system)....but....
Revan stole essentially one third of everything the Republic had, and he still needed a mega-doom dark side factory and a lot of new recruits to keep the war going, and the Mandolorians themselves similarly had to rely on a large number of defectors and modular factories after spending decades building up beyond the Republic.

The Mandolorians were not involved in the Great Hyperspace War. I can understand why you would be confused though: Great Hyperspace War, Great Sith War, Great Galactic War....Republic historians are uncreative with their names.

Agreed. I especially like how KOTOR set up a kind of warrior tribe trinity: Mandorians being pragmatic, Echani being graceful and honorable, and Iridonions being Mynock-shavit bloodthirsty lunatics. Shame that was never developed more.

 

Which is why I think the Iridonians are are awesome they do not fall under the traditional Sci fi and fantasy warrior stereotypes and are just nuts. Will see how they are portrayed in the Old Republic game as MMO it will give alot of oppurtunities for the different societies to be expanded on.

 

I really liked how KOTOR set up the Iridonians/Zabraks
It really showed why Darth Maul was such a bloodthirsty killer. Its natural for his species

 

Your thinking of the Irdonians more properly known as Zabraks - or individuals from Iridonia. Completley different from the Iridonain.

 

Not necessarily true, the wook leaves it up in the air wheather or not they are a different species, it even says that they may be a cultural offshoot or breakaway group kinda like a Zabrak version of the Morgukai