Was Luke stronger in the force than Anakin/Vader?.

I was thinking, we know Anakin is potential the most powerful force user that has been and that is one of the reasons that Palpatine wanted him as a sith. However is it possible Luke is more powerful? We never know what Lukes midi count is so we can't compare that. However the Emporer knew that Anakins children were a threst to him, they are the only people the Emporer seems to have some fear of. Yet despite this he still wants Luke to replace Vader and risk letting Luke live rather than just ordering him executed or killed. Plus the fact that Sith or all about power why would the Emporer want to replace an apprentice unless the replacement was more powerful, of more use to him?

So we know Luke is strong in the force, but was he even stronger than his father?

 

I have pondered this question for years myself. I think the answer is no, he isn't stronger than Anakin but Luke is not that far off. I think the Emperor is wise enough to know that Vader is plotting to get rid of him and train Luke as his own apprentice. I mean, he's Luke's father so why wouldn't he want that? I don't think the Emperor cares which one will be his apprentice after it's all said and done but Luke would be to his liking because he's younger and has would be a new darksider, one who he could teach things to whereas Vader is power hungry and is looking to get Luke to join the dark side so they both can destroy the Emperor.

 

In a sense, yes, Luke was stronger than his daddy since he could control his anger. He saved Anakin from the dark side which is probably the most difficult task a Jedi could ever do.

 

Anakin is stronger but Luke was in some ways better then his father.

 

The Emperor feared more that Vader's children, whomever they are/were (remember he didn't know), would be able to turn their father against his evil ways and thus away from the Empire. On the flip side, if Vader's child(ren) were to get Anakin to their side, the two would have a very good chance of ousting Palpatine and make Anakin the Sith Master. Blood is thicker than water.

Also, it is hard to categorize power per se, but Anakin had the potential to be more powerful, I feel; him being born almost directly from the Force (the mother being human), whereas Luke had two human parents-Anakin and Padme. Luke had the potential to be the most powerful natural born Jedi , but is aced by Anakin's "divine" birth.


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Just throwing some information in for thought. While I'm not sure about ROTJ, I can tell you this about ESB...

"The idea of Vader using telekinetic powers during his fight with Luke was created during story meetings. There was concern, however, that the audience might think back to the first film and wonder why Vader didn't use all his powers on Ben; this was easily explained by the fact that Ben was possibly stronger than Vader. George Lucas and Leigh Brackett also discussed the different levels of the Force; maybe Ben was a six, Vader was a four and Luke is now at level two." - Annotated Screenplays

 

I think Anakin had more power than Luke, but Luke learned to use the power that he had better.

 

maybe Ben was a six, Vader was a four and Luke is now at level two." - Annotated Screenplays

I think GL was referring to their grasp on the Force and not their full potental in that quote. It says Ben was six, but I always thought Anakin was stronger than Obi-Wan.

My opinion is that I thought Luke was stronger because he is Anakin's son and Anakin was very strong in the Force. However, Luke was somewhat weaker than Anakin because he didn't have the years and years of proper training that Anakin had.

 

"It says Ben was six, but I always thought Anakin was stronger than Obi-Wan."

Yet Anakin gets his ass put in a tin can in AOTC, and Ben lets him win in ANH. Anakin never reaches his potential until the end of ROTJ, and then he doesn't even use the Force in his greatest act.

So much for potential.

 

anakin was stronger in the force but his mistakes made luke wiser in the force .

 

Anakin might have had more potential, but Luke was the better Jedi- and person. After all Anakin fell when tempted, Luke didn't.

Which is more important in the overall scheme of things.

SHB JR

 

"The Emperor feared more that Vader's children, whomever they are/were (remember he didn't know), would be able to turn their father against his evil ways..."


Great post! I never thought of it that way! I believe you're on to something.

After all, it's nearly impossible for anyone to be more powerful, or at least have more potential, than someone created by the midichlorians themselves. Thus, it was impossible that Luke by himself would be able to oust both Vader and Palpatine.

But, what you're saying makes total sense! Palpatine wasn't so much in fear of Luke's abilities, but of the fact that Luke was the only person who might turn Vader back to the good side.

Great post, once again.

 

Anakin had more Force potential but was undermined bu his lust for power. So from this point of view Luke was stronger for not giving in to his baser emotions the way his father did. He utilised the Force much better.

 

"Anakin might have had more potential, but Luke was the better Jedi- and person. After all Anakin fell when tempted, Luke didn't."

Absolutely agreed.

 

I think at the same age, Luke has gone a little past Vader in experience, because he's had to as the leader of the Jedi.

But Vader has raw power, and that still kinda trumps academia. Just like a truly talented singer will always be better than a person that's more average, but the person that is more average lasts longer, because they are more dedicated.

Henceforce, Anakin is the most powerful, and he had a destiny, so he was supplied his talents according to his purpose. Luke is much more dedicated to the Path. He might not be as talented, but he has more skill and knowledge and that is the ultimate power. Anakin didn't want to study, and really become in harmony with the force, but that is Luke's lifelong pursuit.

 

Anakin was sheer potential- but so was Luke. The major difference was their upbringing. Anakin spent a decade at the hands of the Jedi, and then two in the grasp of the Darkness. Luke had a few-month crash course in Jedi 101, and was able to kick Vader's butt in ROTJ. I think there's a very good explanation for this. Big, clunky armor is NOT conducive to efficient dueling, and Vader WAS 40 or so when he dueled Luke. Twenty years can do a lot to a man.

Luke had just as much potential, but much less time to develop it. Anakin had the same potential, 30 years more experience than Luke, but his awkward armor (you don't see him doing any flips, do you?) and his age prevented him from being able to use his full abilities. Not to mention Luke was absolutely enraged when he won that duel.