Was Obi-Wan best choice for Anakins Master?

Qui-gon's not perfect or he would have beaten Maul.
But, Qui-gon had a special relationship with Anakin. He freed him for cripes sake. that alone would give Anakin more incentive to be loyal. A feeling of obligation to train better if Quigon was the master. Obiwan did not free him. Anakin showed Quigon alot of respect and would have continued to do so. Quigon being older and more experience gives him an advantage over Obiwan training Anakin. People (Anakin for example) tend to show less respect when dealing with someone closer to their age. They question more things whereas he would have taken more things on faith if it was Qui-gon training him.

 

Obi-Wan WAS NOT Qui-Gon's "ideal" choice as Anakin's teacher. He chose Obi-Wan because the latter was his padawan and conveniently nearby. And he was dying. He didn't know about the Council's decision to allow Anakin into the Order. He was dying and was desperate that someone train Anakin in the ways of the Force.

The word is not "ideal" it's idea. He was the one who decided Obi-Wan should do it. And he chose Obi-Wan because he believed Obi-Wan could do it. "You're a much wiser man than I am."

I never claimed that Qui-Gon was perfect. Perhaps his failure to pass on his beliefs about the Living Force to Obi-Wan was a reflection of Qui-Gon's failure as a teacher.

This series is not a plug for the Living Force. No problems are caused or solved by anyone else's attitude about the Living Force.

Or a failure to penetrate Obi-Wan's tendency to rigidly cling to the Jedi Code. Then again, perhaps this is a failure on both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's parts.
Adherence to the Jedi Code is Obi-Wan's biggest strength and Qui-Gon and Dooku's biggest problem.

Just as Anakin's slide into darkness was a reflection of both his and Obi-Wan's failure to maintain a good master/padawan relationship.
Theirs is one of the best. Their first scene in AOTC and numerous other interactions show the best parts of their relationship. It was not his feelings towards Obi-Wan that turned him to the Dark Side.

But this does not change my mind that Obi-Wan was not the right teacher for Anakin. Perhaps it has nothing to do with Obi-Wan's age and experience, but simply his personality. And Anakin's.

Anakin needed someone who would reign him in rather than indulge his every desire. Qui-Gon was too permissive. Obi-Wan was strict, as a Jedi Master should be.

 

But the question remains if they didnt train him , "Did they really want a super super-being like that roaming freely around the galaxy ?" . Even at nine years old, Anakin was self teaching himself the ways of the Force. Luke had very little training and was mostly self-taught. Didnt they see this as a problem ? Do they let other force enabled people with high midi counts roam freely ? It wouldnt take much for a self taught force enabled user to dabble in the dark side.

Could Palpatine have been one of those kids tested and found to have very high counts, but rejected because he was too old, too old to begin the training ? Ironic if true.

 

The word is not "ideal" it's idea. He was the one who decided Obi-Wan should do it. And he chose Obi-Wan because he believed Obi-Wan could do it. "You're a much wiser man than I am."

And it's worth noting Obi-Wan did do it. Anakin fell when he was a Knight, and thus no longer under Obi-Wan's supervision.

 

I kind of agree that Anakin, as well as Count Dooku, fell to the darkside when they were way past their apprenticeships.

But Kenobi was not the best teacher for Anakin in my opionion since he went from padawan to Jedi Master in ten minutes.

 

Anakin and Count Dooku were completely diferent in every aspects.I think that was the only thing that they had in common.Count Dooku is a very strange character to me.He never looked or behaved like a Sith.I think that he never was, well not completely.I think that he somehow used Palpatine and his teachings for his own personal agenda.I also think that he had some plan to remove Palpatine when Palpatine takes over Republic, but that is only my opinion.

 

I agree here, I don't see Count Dooku as a very convincing Sith Lord, lack of sith eyes and his polite if you will manner in which he attempts to kill the jedi in AOTC. Obi-Wan should have owned him in the saber battle aboard the invisible hand at the beginning of ROTS. Kenobi probably was not the best choice for being Anakin's master, but the council had just discovered the re-emergance of the sith, the clone wars were coming and Yoda had a "bad feeling" about what was to come and possibly realized it better to have Anakin in training with someone as nobel and respected as Kenobi even though he was young for a master. If Yoda trained Dooku, Dooku trained Qui-Gon and Qui-Gon trained Kenobi, possibly Yoda believed that Kenobi had the strong background and capability to an excellent job with Anakin, he could have also convinced Mace and the other council members of the same.

I am a huge fan of Kenobi and since we will never know if he was the best choice for Anakin's master we'll just have to accept it as part of the destiny within the saga.

 

Yet it was Obi Wan who admitted his own failures to AnaVader's face.
Even though Anakin became a Knight, the flawed training he recieved at the hands of Kenobi, is what left the door open for his turn to the dark side. Why else was it written that Kenobi recklessly thought that he could be as good as Yoda.

The OS states that Kenobi did voice his concerns to the Council, who in turn, did nothing. Sidious simply capitalized on the flawed teachings and collective failures of the Jedi as a whole. Kenobi is not the reason for Anakin's turn, but he sure didn't help matters. Maybe the Council should have used their own logic concerning Skywalker's training:
"A Master was needed. Someone wiser, with more experience."

 

Oh, he did fail(after all Anakin did become Darth Vader ) I just don't lay all that much blame on Obi-Wan, partially because he admitted that he was reckless and failed. However he DID train Anakin into a Jedi...it just didn't last all that long.

 

Well said, Master Starwalker.

 

I don't think that it was Obi-Wan's fault that Anakin turned, especially since Qui placed the training on his padawan, who was far to young, nor do I think that it was flawed training that left Anakin open to the Darkside, I think that it was simply because Anakin had grown up in a really bad place, and was open to alot of bad stuff.
I also think that, because all the other Jedi had grown up at the temple, they did not provide sufficient emotional needs for Anakin, and that because of it, Anakin did not love the Jedi like a family, the way Obi-Wan and the other Jedi did.
(Being a major Obi fan my opinion is a bit biased, but oh well.)
I do however think that perhaps, Yoda or another more experienced Jedi might have made a better Master.

 

Yes, but Obi-Wan and Anakin had a relation that more looks like relation of two brothers than a relation of Master and Padawan.Obi-Wan always protected Anakin like a true older brother and never let him to do something alone, but Anakin did not listen him (like that time when they attacked Dooku in AotC).Obi-Wan feared to much to fail in his training of Anakin because he gived Qui-Gon a promise to train Anakin well.And that is why he failed as he told at the end of RotS.


Obi-Wan Kenoby - "I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you."

 

Obi-Wan wasn't the best choice. He took Anakin on as his apprentice because he promised the late Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan was always skeptical about Anakin, there was no doubt about that. In an ideal world, Obi-Wan would have chosen not to train Anakin.

Qui-Gon was the right man for the job. He was devoted to training Anakin. I'm sure that with Qui-Gon's guidance, Anakin would never have turned to the dark side. Training Anakin was burden which was thrown on Obi-Wan's shoulders.

 

Qui-Gon was the right man for the job. He was devoted to training Anakin. I'm sure that with Qui-Gon's guidance, Anakin would never have turned to the dark side.

Anakin still would have turned. It's not the master, it's the student.

 

I agree

 

Hell no he wasnt the best choice.

The only people that I would have let handle someone as powerful as Anakin would be Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, or Yoda.

Obi-Wan was just a kid himself, and he didnt really beat Maul either he got lucky.

As a matter of fact WHO DOES HE REALLY BEAT??

This clown keeps getting lucky in all of his fights.

He probably went back to the jedi temple and lied about his fight with Maul....

*OWK* Yeah, you guys should have seen the way I handled that Sith Lord. He ran from me the entire fight and then when I floored him he begged for his life but it didnt stop me...I struck a killing blow in the name of the galactic republic.




You guys believe me dont you? *OWK*

*youngling* We believe you master kenobi *youngling*

*OWK*Good cuz it's all true. *OWK*

*Yoda* Been drinking again, have we, Master Kenobi?? *Yoda*

*OWK* *OWK*

 

I disagree.
Just because Obi is not the best lightsaber fighter in the order, does not mean that he just got lucky in his fights.
He had the brains.
He did well in his fight with Maul in my opinion.
Just because he won by outsmarting Maul, well that is pretty impressive.
Like when he beat General Greivous, that wasn't luck.
That was wit.

In the words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, "In my experience, there is no such thing as luck"

 

Well, he proved to be very smart in his battles (I liked the way how he beated Manga Guard on Mutapa).But you must also agree that, even if he didn't belived in luck, he had it in almost every battle:

1) Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul [PM] - Maul forgot about Qui-Gons lightsaber and he was unprepared for Obi-Wans jump.

2) Obi-Wan and Anakin vs. Count Dooku [AotC] - Anakin lost his hand in this fight and Obi-Wan had just two scratches.

3) Obi-Wan and Anakin vs. Count Dooku [RotS] - Again Obi-Wan had no serious injures even if whole platform fell down on him.

4) Obi-Wan vs. General Grievous [RotS] - This time he had a lot of luck because General Grievous didn't ordered to his droid troops to attack Obi-Wan.He wanted to fight Obi-Wan himself.

5) Obi-Wan vs. Anakin [RotS] - It is simple; advantage of high ground and Anakins arogance.

 

The only area that Obi-wan lacked in was letting Anakin hang out with Palpatine. Obi-wan did a good job training him, but Palpatine underminded everything. The Council is to blame for not being liste to Obi-wan, when he voiced his concerns about letting Anakin go off alone for the first time.

 

And I think the scene to justify that is when he lets Vader kill him. Trusting so deeply in the force justifies his belief that there was no such thing as luck. I agree that he had the wits - had Anakin used his brain half as much, things would be very difficult for OBW indeed!

 

Yep. he did, the coucil did not listen to his concerns, and just said that the boy would be fine.
And yes Obi should have been more careful about Palpatine.

Yep, they definitely would have been.