ST Was Rey trained at Luke's Jedi Temple?

I think the answer here is yes. Luke's daughter or not aside, I believe that Rey started her training at Luke's Jedi Temple, with Ben Solo. Ben fell to the dark side, joined the Knights of Ren. He then returned, more powerful and stronger and destroyed the Jedi and the Temple.

Luke, seeing this happen, took his brightest and best student, Rey, and hid her on Jakku, under the watchful eye of Max Sydow's character (ala Obi-Wan).

-C

 

My problem with this is you see the Knights of Ren looking like they destroyed the academy easily. Almost as if Luke wasn't there. Luke facing Vader a few times & Palpatine, and who knows what else over 30 some odd years I feel would be a powerful match for tkor.

 

Luke wasnt there.....almost as if he was taking someone away to be hidden....

C

 

This could be, but if she is not his blood child why would he put her into hiding before his academy is destroyed unless he had a premonition? If so, it be pretty messed up to leave a group of padawans to fend off the tkor on their own.

 

I thought that it was Max, but a second viewing of the movie made me think it was that fat alien dude on Jakku. You know, the one that traded food for scrap goods.

My guess is that she had some training — how and why she forgot to use it is probably because she hadn't needed to in the years that went by. Hence the Force Awakens title, which to me implies that her latent abilities has re-awakened in her again.

 

She was 5 when she was left on Jakku. How much training could she had gotten at 5 years old?

 

Well Luke went from getting his ass kicked by Vader, to fighting both him and Palps in 5 months so...

 

I think Snoke, Kylo, and Rey were trained there.

Han and leia seem to know him more personally than just the leader of the First Order. Snoke betrays Luke and convinces Kylo to join him and murder the others. Kylo agrees but hides Rey on Jakku because he couldnt bring himself to kill her. Which is why he feels he must murder Han, he let the light in him make a "foolish" decision in the past.

Oh yeah, and I think Rey is Lukes daughter.

 

She was five? How do you know that? The novel?

 

I doubt Snoke was trained there. I think Leia, and Han are on a first name basis with him because for them he is an old enemy. It seems to me that they have long dealt with the machinations of Snoke, and I have no doubt that Snoke's deformed appearance can be attributed to a certain group of old heroes. I simply use in the defence of my argument that to take control of the remnants of the Empire, one has to establish a reputation for himself.

 

Daisy said she was 5 when she was left on Jakku in a interview a couple weeks back. Let me see if I can find it ...

From this article : http://www.people.com/article/daisy-ridley-star-wars-force-awakens

 

Yes absolutely.

My reasoning: Snoke tasked Kylo and the KOR to wipe out the Academy. They organised a feint to get Luke out of the way (he would have easily beaten them otherwise so is best tackled alone later). Everyone is killed except Rey. a KOR goes to kill Rey and is killed by Kylo in the attempt (this happens in the movie). Kylo knows who she is and has too much compassion for her, so he wants to spare her and hide her from Snoke. I think he turns on the other KOR and kills them to remove any witnesses.

Now Rey. He needs her out of the way to make sure she doesn't pose a threat or basically get him killed by Snoke for defying orders. He wipes her memory effectively severing her connection to the Force in the process (or this may be a separate thing he does). Both Leia and Luke sense this and think she has just died. Either he takes her to Jakku so that she is completely out of the way, or he pays two people to act as her parents. If so, they are under strict instructions to leave her in someone's care (Unkar Plutt) so that she may live, albeit in some misery and discomfort. Rey thinks they are her real parents (perhaps they work for the FO?) They are under strict orders from Kylo to tell her that she is to stay on Jakku until they come back for her. She is told that she must not leave otherwise they will never find her. That way she can never find her way into the bigger galaxy. Of course they have no intention of ever coming back.

The Force 'awakens' some years later in Rey of course, but that story has already been (partly) told.

Luke returns to find bodies and Rey missing. He already believes she is dead and cannot find evidence of where her 'body' is. He is completely distraught. The reason he places a starmap in Artoo with a piece missing has yet to be explained but he does it anyway it would seem. He burns the bodies and leaves, going into exile. Artoo is similarly distraught and shuts down. He's not telling anyone anything about what happened any time soon.

 

I'm not sure Rey is Luke's kid to be honest. I think they purposely left it ambiguous so they can go either way. My own theory is that he found her, not at his academy, but at the Temple he was searching for. Otherwise, how would she have known about the island during Kylo Ren's mind probe? She also clearly had knowledge of the force, even though her training wasn't complete.

 

I sure hope that's not it.

Training beginning at preschool age is one of the details of the prequels best left forgotten.

Becoming a Jedi is a lifelong commitment that takes serious consideration. Something you couldn't force upon a 3 year old without it being considered abuse.

I think a better way to play it would be for Rey to have had an older sibling that was a jedi pupil who was massacred and for her parents to have hidden her to prevent her from being hunted down as well.

 

I know I said I wasn't going to touch on this subject again until VIII, but I agree; I don't think she's Luke's for a whole number of reasons.

As for the island, I think she's having a Force vision of the future. That could of course be wrong but that's how I initially took it.

 

True, but even before the visions started she knew about the first Jedi Temple. She mentioned it on the Falcon. Also, apparently there is a new visual dictionary out that explains why R2 was shut down (he was prcessing information that he had gathered for 70 years).

 

I think Kylo hid her on Jakku. For whatever reason he feels compassion for her. Even Snoke felt that. Think I read a quote from the book that Snoke said that. Maybe she's his cousin or just had a close bond but I think he hid her.


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Fair enough, and yes she may well have been there, but then that's part of the mystery isn't it? I'm not claiming I've absolutely got this right, I just think considering how open things are right now, every possibility needs to be examined.

I doubt Kylo's memory wipe, if indeed there was one, was perfectly carried out. He would have been pretty young at the time. Or perhaps the Force has been calling to her all these years and presenting itself somewhat when she is calm; at peace; asleep.

 

KYLO BROUGHT HER? That seems unlikely.

C

 

Didn't someone from Lucasfilm sed Rey wasn't present at the massacre?

 

I'm fairly Certain Rey grew up at Luke's academy or was there from a very young age.

in her Force Vision you hear Obi-Wan and Yoda, You hear Obi-Wan say "Rey" and "these are you first steps...." Also if you listen closely as Rey is walking down the Stairs you can hear the Child's voice say "Yoda"

Also It's not confirmed that her Vision with Kylo is from the Massacre at the Academy.

 

I figured the "these are your first steps" was Obi commenting on what happened to her during the Awakening as she piloted the Falcon, and the Force vision itself.

To me she doesn't seem to have had any Jedi training, she didn't even know they were real and thought that Luke Skywalker was a myth.

 

To me, she does seem to have had Jedi training, since she suddenly decides to try out a mind trick after Kylo's interrogation - and succeeds.
You'd almost think Kylo inadvertently unlocked some blocked memories while probing her mind...

 

Me I was trained at Luke's academy -- and now I'm having Force visions of arguments against your opinion that include non-canon stuff like mind-wipes.

 

I'd be happy enough story-wise if that turned out to be the case.

Well memory loss is canon http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Amnesia and the technique that Lulu mentions is actually this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Memory_rub although it is listed as Legends, it appears in this canon ep http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ghosts_of_Mortis

My only issue with it is that Rey is only 5. It seems strange to me to suppress the abilities of someone so young when all they seem to do is wave a lightsaber around



but yep if they wanted to conceal her true identity and get rid of her powers, I could see it being used. The main problem I find with it, I'm guessing Snoke is one of the few people powerful enough or maybe Luke. Would either of them do that to young Rey?