Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?

Yes he was. According to WIKIPEDIA.ORG under star wars dates it says that Palpatine (Sidious) was born on NABOO around 84 BBY (before battle of Yavin) and is immediately taken for training by Plageius.

 

No it's not a bad thing, but if the EU is going to be "disregarded" at the drop of a dime then why have it in the first place?


All it does is contradict the movies anyway

 

Lucas never confirms or denies it in the film. Initially, he confirmed it by having Palpatine tell Anakin that he was his Master. Lucas left it ambigious, but if you watch Ian's expressions, you can see a smug look on his face.

 

There are no contradictions anywhere in the EU.

 

Sids was Plagus' apprentice. When he said that he was a Sith legend that was true because there really are like only 3 Sith alive and all of them probably know about the story. Plagus was not known about by any of the Jedi order because he kept a low profile and was focused on just mastering the dark side and gaining knowledge and power.

 

Did you guys notice that the emperor had his hand above anikan after the battle with obi wan. I think he was performing the technique with the mid chlorians. Or else he would of died right then and there and since he had the most charted mid chlorians ever it would be easier for him to survive.

 

Doesnt the Eu say that the jedi came BEFORE the sith?

Lucas says otherwise.

 

I think that this is highly likely. My reason for this is that after hearing the story, you see how that is played out in RoTJ when Vader throws him into the reactor shaft. It makes a nice connection between the two trilogies.

 

Where did he say that? I've always heard him say the Sith Order was started by a rogue Jedi, which conforms to what the EU says, BTW.

 

Yes I know, but recently (sometime before last Christmas I believe) Lucas said (during an interview) that the Sith were around before the jedi and that they had control of the galaxy until the jedi came along and wiped them out.


And this story completely goes against what the EU "was allowed" to produce.



Somebody needs to make up his mind.

 

R8tHitman -- Great posts. You are concise in making the issues very obvious. This is something that Anakin could easily confirm. Again, any confrimation of Plagueis means he is indeed over 1,000 years old. Meaning, palps is really old.

Why did the Sith take 1,000 years off? Assuming Plagueis is still alive after all (and thus, the Jedi were wrong when they said this in TPM) why did the Sith become so quiet that they were thought to be extinct? The Sith have so much cloaking ability what would make the Jedi think they were extinct in the first place? None of this really makes any sense.

 

Neither PLagueis nor Sidious have lived even near 1000 years, at most they lived 200 or 150.

 

Sauron -- What are you basing that on????

 

There are no contradictions anywhere in the EU.

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And R8hitman, this explains why the EU is there. It's kind of like a multiversal view of the GFFA. The EU is kind of like the "Twilight Zone" of the GFFA.

?There are two worlds here,? explained Lucas. ?There?s my world, which is the movies, and there?s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe ? the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don?t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don?t get too involved in the parallel universe.?

Cinescape interview, 2002

 

Thankyou.

I was wondering when somebody was going to "thoroughly think this thing through".

Most people arent even really trying to understand what I'm saying, they just blurt out an answer.

But like you said, this is something that Anakin could have easily confirmed.

Why would Sidious tell him an "outright lie" that could very easily get debunked and then send him on his way hoping to one day gain his trust.

 

"Sauron -- What are you basing that on????"

Basic EU knowledge, those 1,000 years were for many Sith on hiding. The average star Wars human leaves some 100 or 120 years (estimate), the average human sith or jedi lives about 200 years,PLagueis wasnt ancient, he was the master before Sidious, and Sidious wasnt ancient either, there were many sith before them both and after Darth Bane. The EU doesnt contradict the movies and the movies dont contradict the EU, it all fits together perfectly, even when Lucas decides to do some weird crap.

 

How is Lucas the one doing the weird crap?


THEIR HIS MOVIES!

If anything is weird it's the EU.


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But Sauron just listen for a minute....let's just forget about the EU for a second, if the jedi believe that the sith have been extinct for a millenium then if they know about "the legend of Plagueis" then he would have to have come BEFORE the extinction of the sith.

But let's say for a minute that the jedi DONT know about Plagueis....Why would Palpatine tell Anakin a story about a character THAT ONLY A SITH WOULD KNOW?


That would leave Anakin open to expose him right then and there.

This must be a story that ANYONE could know about, and if ANYONE knows about it then the jedi probably have at least heard something about it, and if that's the case then Plagueis has to have come from an era when the sith were still active.

 

I agree that these two Sith are not anchient. Nut to find out that Sisious killed his master in his sleep shoocked me. In the Old Republic There were thousands of sith,but not in hidind. Sidious wanted to bring back sith control but he is the last sith before Darth Maul came into the picture.

 

Did you miss the quote above? Please read it. The GFFA is Lucas' world. Anything EU authors do is in a "parallel universe"

Just look at what the Jedi are able to do in the clone war cartoons. Totally contradicts the films.

 

R8THTMAN -- No prob man. It seems pretty clear the way you explain it.

Sauran -- I don't really go by EU. Just cannon. And from the films, R8THTMAN is pretty much on the money.

 

Yeah the EU will throw you completely off.

The last EU material that I saw/purchased was a Darth Maul Vs. Darth Vader comic.

(that shows you how long it's been)

That stuff is interesting (sometimes) but dont try to mix it in with the movies....wont work.

 

That does make sence,but do you think that Plagueis is that old? Or is he even human for that matter?

 

Great shot, R8hitman! That was one in a million!

People will ignore you astute comments, as well as the quote directly from Lucas above though, and keep talking about Exar Kun and Luuke the evil Jedi clone as if these things have ANYTHING to do with the actual films.

 

That does make sence,but do you think that Plagueis is that old? Or is he even human for that matter?

I dont know.

That's why I asked "Was Sidious REALLY Darth Plagueis' apprentice?"