Was Yoda's 1st encounter in his life with a Sith in AotC?

I'm just curious about the implications of a 800+ yr old Jedi Grandmaster who's only knowledge of Sith comes from the holocrons of past Jedi who've encountered Sith. If Yoda had never dealt with any Sith in his whole life, they did stay hidden I assume, then I guess I really don't blame the little toad-thing for making a mess of things in the prequel era. I know that the Jedi archives had Sith holocrons, but my understanding is that they sense who's trying to activate them & they will not cooperate with Jedi, no matter how powerful that Jedi thinks it is.

So, Yoda fighting his old apprentice Count Dooku, was it the 1st time in his life seeing a Sith Lord?

I'd also like to know if anyone thinks that when Yoda had fought with Sidious, do you get the feeling that as a Sith Master, Sidious had completely surprised Yoda? With the little bit of knowledge that Yoda had on Sith, probably accounts of the Jedi that had dealt with & killed Darth Bane, was Yoda unprepared for the guile, manipulation, sheer coldness & the strength in the darkside of the force in Darth's Tyrannus & Sidious?

I only ask cause besides I couple lines of recrimination from Yoda in the RotS novel, I have no idea of what was going on in his head in dealing with the reemergence of the Sith Lords.

 

The main issue is that Yoda has been part of a Jedi Order prepared to fight a battle against the Sith of the past. Sith bent on galactic domination behind armies of dark siders and fleets of ships. Sith who gloried in open battle and glorious slaughter like Malak and Khaan. He and the Jedi are unprepared for Sith like Sidious, the Banite Sith Order. Sith who prefer guile, misdirection, and betrayal and who have set the playing field so the Jedi are at a complete disadvantage in the end. All his knowledge of the old Sith is useless, because Sidious doesn't fight that way. Except for the lightning, as Yoda appears to be the only one capable of handling that I always assumed he had knowledge of it from his studies.

 

Windu said it was 1000 years since they encountered one. They where supposed to have been wiped out. Of course it's a bit strange that the Jedi would have knowledge of the rule of two when Bane created around the time the Sith where supposed to have been destroyed.

 

Yoda's mentioned some stuff about knowing the darkness when he "was younger" -- so it may have been his first time with a true "Sith" -- it was likely not his first time exploring that aspect of the Force and the debates, philosophies, etc.

 

According to ROTS:VD there were only four Jedi of the PT-time, who ever faced a Sith before Mace made his attempt to arrest Palpatine:

Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker and Yoda. Since the only Sith they could have faced were Darth Maul and Darth Tyrannus it should be obvious, that Yoda never met or fought a Sith prior to AotC.

 

And before AOTC, Obi-Wan was the only Jedi alive who had faced a Sith Lord and survived.

 

unless Yoda fought a Banite Sith 2 (or 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) hundred years prior... even if he only thought it was a Dark Jedi at the time. i doubt he ever did, but there's no proof that he DIDN'T, and i'd say it's all but certain that the Grandmaster has faced his fair share of Dark Jedi over the years.

as for him being prepared for Sidious, as Corporate_Jedi said, the Jedi's knowledge of the Sith as Sith was the massive army of darksiders sort, regardless of it the knowledge came from captured Holocrons or from Jedi history leassons. Yoda proably could have effectively lead his order against Revan or Krayt, but Sidious played a whole different game, and was VERY good at it.

it'd be like training for your whole life to play a game of American football, only to discover that the game you have to play is in fact soccer-football, and against Pelé no less. you'll be a great athlete, so you might not totally embarass yourself, but there's almost no way you'd win.

 

I'd agree, it's likely Yoda faced some dark/fallen Jedi in his time ... is the story of him facing the Bpfash (or however you spell it ) dark Jedi on Dagobah canon? I presume it is, since it was first alluded to in TTT, though i'm not certain as to the status of the Tales story that supposedly depicted it.

 

Yoda's first encounter with a Sith? That would probably be when he first met Palpatine



But yeah, I think Dooku was the first time he fought, or knowingly encountered a Sith.

 

Of course, that number doesn't count Darsha Assant or Anoon Bondara, so it may have missed other Jedi who faced Sith, as well.

 

.... am I the only one who read that title and thought that this was a new Sex in the EU thread?

 

I hope so.

 

Yoda, Padmé, the Force, and Sex in Movie Canon?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Qui-Gon Jinn survived his FIRST encounter with Darth Maul.


Also, IIRC a couple of Jedi faced Maul in Shadow Hunter, even if they didn't live to tell about it.

 

Padme could kiss him & turn him into a handsome prince.

Yoda fighting the Bffash(sp?) darksider on Degobah definately happened after he's fought with Sidious, if it happened at all, & it happened sometime between Luke going to Tatooine with Obi-Wan & Luke blowing up the Deathstar.

I had assumed that there had been a few Yoda stories here in there in comics & novels giving history about him without ever giving his species a name. I didn't pick up Dark Rendezvous & hadn't followed all of the clone wars era comics. Now I'm curious as to why there hasn't been any stories covering Yoda's 800+ yrs. I can understand why LFL won't publish a Plaugeius or Sidious novel, they're truly evil & that'd be hard to market, but Yoda is supposed to be the heart & soul of the Jedi Order. Why are they still keeping him mysterious?

 

it'd be like training for your whole life to play a game of American football, only to discover that the game you have to play is in fact soccer-football, and against Pelé no less. you'll be a great athlete, so you might not totally embarass yourself, but there's almost no way you'd win.

Careful with that analogy. History is littered with people who have been great at more than one sport. Ted Williams is in two Hall of Fames (baseball and fishing, and he was a superb pilot), and Jim Brown could easily have been a better lacrosse player than he was an American football player. Of course, they trained in both sports, but still, some people are just incredible natural talents and don't need much time to get up to speed. Yoda's the equivalent of an all-time great in whatever sport you're talking about. If you know the rules, you can still do some damage, even if you wouldn't be at your best. And that's pretty much what Yoda did. He lost, but withdrew, changed his strategy and won out in the end (vicariously, but still).

 

Hey, there was something going on between them when they went to Ilum. There's not denying that.

 

Thread title implies dirty content.

Okay, Yoda probably fought a sith, but that's way before anyone could remember.

 

that's kind of what i meant: Yoda was an awesome Force-athlete in general, but he didn't know the rules of the game Sidious was playing. so he while made a good show of himself when he dueled Sidious (walking away from the greatest Sith Lord ever is no small feat) and was one of only a handful of Jedi active as of ROTS to not die by the hand of an Imperial Force-user or clone/stormtrooper, he didn't flat out win as a player. but he did go on to coach Luke as a multi-sport player who's won in just about every game imaginable. had Yoda trained for Sidious's game far enough in advance, he'd have done much better and probably won.


as for Yoda and Padme... seeing her well did make him glad in AOTC. perhaps that's why Anakin and Padme had to be secretive: the Grandmaster would have been jealous.

 

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Red Lions - I don't think that the Stark Hyperspace war did a disservice to the time of peace and prosperity that was the 1000 years before TPM. It just isn't possible that NOTHING happened in that time frame. When it comes down to it, in terms of galactic conflict the Stark Hyperspace War (If it could even be considered a "War" and not just a battle or something) is but a little blip on the radar. What was done to Tarkin's fleet was pretty crazy but his fleet was basically a bunch of vigilantes flying under the guise of the Republic Navy. Stark's combine was nothing more than a decent sized criminal syndicate. Compared to the Clone Wars, the Galactic Civil War, The Thrawn Campaign, the Vong Invasion, the Killik Crisis, and even the current Corellian Crisis it was a walk in the park.

 

Bo Knows Sith.