Fanclub We are not droids! *The official General Grievous fanclub v2.0*

This picture reminds me of Lair of Grievous, where he´s getting repeairs and we almost see whats behind the mask.

 

Great non-reveal. The robot begins to take his mask off (cue plenty of screaming) then we cut to commercials!
Also "This may cause some discomfort". You don't say!

He ain't committing suicide in that picture though, so it's a little less emotional, but there's something sad about seeing him burned and with no legs (!) because Dooku is a ****.

I love it in that episode when he ignites his lightsabers in a cross. Just looks cool.


Also I found the last page from visionaries last night. I wonder how he knew his new name when he had never been told?
Dubbing yourself a name in a different language (although that barrier is ignored here) seems a trifle unlikely.

 

Man, that's a cool pose. And the even cooler thing is, he doesn't seem a bit scared about the fact that two Jedi and about eight clones have him surrounded. Even though he loses this fight, it was clear at this point in the episode that the Jedi and Clones weren't going to come out of this one whole.

 

Some more of my intelligent contributions (...er...):

Yes!

Well in the end, only one even survived (and we were probably supposed to cheer at his running away when G.L. says we should despise that in Grievous).

Language issues aside, I believe that in the E.U. (or whatever it is), he used the name before the 'accident'.

Incidentally, does anyone know who came up with the name 'General Grievous'? I do know that as a consequence, I will never look upon that word in the same way again (sorry to anybody who has 'grievous bodily harm' inflicted upon their selves).

Off the current strand of discussion, I count Grievous' introduction in Clone Wars as one of my favourite Star Wars moments (in the P.T.-era, anyway; and I don't care if you consider it over-the-top). By contrast, in R.O.T.S., he just stalks in through some slidey doors.

 

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but loved his voice in the micro series. Made him sound truly sound like a cold and calculating general.

 

Oh yeah, when I posted this I included a not very prominent link to a story that another member on the same site wrote in response to it.
It's simply called 'Weak' and I think provides a very well written view on his life and thoughts. You'd never think a General Grievous story could jerk a tear or two could you? I especially like how the mask is the symbol of his life and suffering, very poignant.
There's almost a bit of a lesson there. He was given more power than most people could dream of (although was still ultimately controlled by others), but who he was as a person was completely destroyed. He gained an image and lost his soul.

The same person also wrote another little story called 'Chains of Misery' in response to this image.


I think it pretty much sums up his standing in the actual scheme of things. The story is not quite as sad but still emotionally disturbing. When you get to reading things like this you know you really can sympathise with him. Makes such a great character.

Yup. Kit Fisto (quite sensibly) runs away when he realises he is out matched, but we are supposed to think Jedi are super brave types. In the same episode GG only retreats after losing both his legs and being badly burned, but we are supposed to think of him as a coward? Does not compute, George.
Also another reason why I dislike the Jedi in the prequels in general and in TCW in particular. They are so full of themselves and so hypocritical. They sowed the seeds for their own demise.

You can say that again! Insanely cool.

I though the Joe DiMaggio voice was very good for the situation, the 'unseen threat'. I don't think it quite fitted with his image, and would have seemed a little weird if he was speaking that voice while we were actually seeing him. Also had more delay effect than most new-wave songs.
The Richard McGonagle voice was a little Stephen Hawking-ish. It was a decent timbre but seemed disconnected from the character, like he had somebody translating his speech for him.
I should say that putting a voice to the cartoon character seems pretty hard though.
I think the first Matthew Wood voice would be the best except for the weird Italian/Russian accent that made him seem a bit too comic. The TCW voice I think is the best, but he is a little hard to understand at times.

 

Well in the end, only one even survived (and we were probably supposed to cheer at his running away when G.L. says we should despise that in Grievous.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, that wasn't an ending during which we were supposed to be cheering.

 

You can say that again! Insanely cool.[/quote]
It's even cooler when he does it with all four of them.

 

OK, so clearly I haven't mastered partial quotation here. Tips, anyone?

 

Captain Han Solo Firstly, try to get rid of the consecutive posts (or write 'Edit: Double Post') so Bardan doesn't get you like he got me
To do the quote, copy-paste the section you want into your reply highlight it and click the 'Quote' button (in the centre of your toolbar, the blue quote mark).
This will wrap quote tags around the text.
Then, fill in the username as follows {QUOTE} to {QUOTE=Username}. This will show who said it.
Then you should be right to submit.

Use straight brackets, I had to add the braces to prevent auto-wrapping.

Also, there's a guide to BB codes in the help section.

Picture please? I've seen similar poses with four arms, but not that particular one.
(Even if it's one I'm thinking of we need more cool pictures anyway)

Also, editing tends to really mess up your formatting (for anybody whose seen some of the editions of this post )

 

No, but solely because Master Squid is a designated 'good guy', we are supposed to either be relieved at his escaping, or go, "Woo-hoo! He survived," but the writers of the show make out running off when things turn against you as being a negative trait in Grievous.
Similarly, Grievous is always said to have 'murdered' Jedi; however, the only time we see him killing them, it is in pitched fights. Somebody in the show (although T.C.W. is over now) needed to stand up and say, "Wait, are we saying that it is 'murder' just because they're Jedi?" Anyway, the show's writers missed an opportunity of making a moral point there. (Indeed, I have thought of a couple of ways Grievous could have been used that way.)

Any excuse to link to my favourite song

I think that all of the voices work in their own scenes, but none of them would suit his character completely at its broadest (which Lucasy* has done his best to eliminate).
Certainly, Joe DiMaggio's voice in Grievous' introduction in C.W. works very well with its sneering tone:

"Jedi: you are surrounded, your army is decimated; make peace with the Force now, for this is your final hour. But know that I, General Grievous, am not completely without mercy: I will grant you a warrior's death. Prepare."​

Also, those lines are much better than anything he says in R.O.T.S. or T.C.W.; then again, in my opinion, Clone Wars is written fairly well (at least the later episodes), and has much better 'camerawork' (what is it with an animation?) and editing than the Prequel films.

*As befits my screen-name, I will at opportune moments refer to people with 'Cricket nicknames', reflecting a recent trend in international cricket for players' (public) nicknames to be one of their names with a 'y' tacked on, or something to that effect; this is particularly prevalent in England. As a result, we have, or have had, Cooky, Swanny, Straussy, Smithy, Stokesy, Belly (Bell), Finny, Broady, Dilly (Adil Rashid), Finchy, Clarky (even though he already had a nick-name), multiple Jimmys, Uzzie (Usman Khawaja), Wadey and all other such abominations (I'm sure I've seen 'Vogesy' before). And most of the others aren't any more creative. I refer to this on the "First Order nickname thread".

 

DarthCricketer. If you watch the episodes cut together into one full feature there's the quite noticeable difference between the voice at the start of the Hypori fight (2/10 by DiMaggio) and at the end (3/1 by McGonagle). I think McGonagle's voice in that particular segment is better that his voice in 3/4.

Also Clone Wars makes me like Palpatine even more. His calmness in the situation(s) is fantastic.
When confronted by a tall metal angry thing he just looks him in the eye and says:

"How dare you barge into my private residence! Who do you think you are!?" (to Shaak Ti) "I'll take care of this"​

He's so aloof it's frightening.​

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And yes the editing and angles of CW are better than in the films, somehow. They made better use of shaky cam, shots from above and below to help imply power and weakness (notice the films tend to have mostly flat angles, which are rubbish for implying positions) and a much smaller use of mind numbing tracking shots. There's also a greater use of both very close and far shots, whereas the films are mostly middle-close sort of shots.​

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And the moral double standard around Grievous is quite noticeable. By applying the same ethical standards Windu shouldn't have decapitated Jango Fett on Geonosis. It's not even like Grievous attacked first a lot of the time in TCW. He's often defending himself. When he kills Nadhar Vebb I think we are supposed to hate him, but Nadhar was the attacker and Grievous the defender.​

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Speaking of Nadhar Vebb I am remind that somebody posted a video on youtube of 'all jedi killed by General Grievous'​

Just to prove a point about plot armour I'm going to list all the jedi we care about killed by him.​

Start List​

End List​

That's the problem for me. I can't hate him as a villain if he only kills Jedi we don't care about whilst defending himself. Makes him seem quite justified.
All the characters we are attached to have impenetrable plot armour due to retcon nature of their stories.

 

KaleeshEyes

How do you post image? I've got a pretty good one saved on my iPad.

 

There are no toolbars on the iPad version of this site. :angry:

 

Captain Han Solo, please use the edit feature to avoid double posting.

 

Captain Han Solo
I genuinely don't know then, try posting the link and I or someone else can stick up the image.
Also I told you *that* above would happen
It's like having red pen all over your essays. You only become a part of this site when you've been warned for double posting. Twice in my case

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Captain Han Solo There's your problem. You can try doing a full quote then deleting the parts you don't want, but for some reason that always changes the size of the text for me.

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I also just realised one thing that really needles me about not just Grievous but most of the sub-villains in the prequels (yes, I'll make this the last prequel bashing post for a bit) It's the subservience they all have to Sidious/Palpatine. They can't seem to think for themselves and are content following instruction from a person they've never met and who won't give his identity. I know they're supposed to be greedy and whatnot, but they are fulfilling their desires. It's like following those dodgy banners on some internet sites. The separatists just don't seem very bright and are not sceptical enough. At least GG has an excuse in that he's a cyborg and probably programmed to follow orders, but you'd think Nute Gunray might be able to work out in ten years that he's been had.
I just can't help think of the much loved around here RedLetterMedia review for episode three, when discussing moving the separatists to Mustafar.

Narrator: Now Grievous is apparently a military leader, because he has the rank of general, but he just says yes, "It will be done, my lord", without even thinking about it. Instead he should probably say 'that sounds like a great place for an ambush if they were to discover where all the separatist leaders are. On that subject wouldn't it be smarter to spread them out all over the place so...​

Palpatine: Stop asking completely logical questions​

Grievous: Yes, lord Sidious. Wait, who are you again? And where are you from?​

Palpatine: You don't need to know who I am, and where I'm broadcasting this hologram from; just do what I say.​

Grievous: Where are my pants?​

Palpatine: I have a pair of pantaloons for you to wear; they're stylish.​

Grievous: Who are you?​

Palpatine: Stop asking me who I am!​

You get the idea, more scepticism was needed on the part of the separatists. Also notice how they mock his weak character by calling him 'General Grievance'.
Better writing could have kept the same plot and not had these issues
Anyway, that's enough prequel bashing for the moment.

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While on one of my binges of good music (not modern rubbish) I discovered that part of the lyrics of Judas Priest's The Sentinel reminded me greatly of the barest, coldest presentation of his character, like in Clone Wars, or even more impersonal than that (the rest of the lyrics are irrelevant of course)

Screams of pain and agony rent the silent air​

Amidst the dying bodies, blood runs everywhere​

The figure stands expressionless​

Impassive and alone​

Unmoved by his victory​

And the seeds of death he's sown​

Instantly reminded me of Grievous when I heard it. Brilliant song as well.
Also I must be one of the few people who uses section breaks in comments.

 

Meaning to ask you guys this, but what is your favorite Greivous moment from all of media (film, tv shows, books, comics etc...)? Mine has to be the duel at the end of the first volume of clone wars, where Greivous slaughters almost all the jedi.

 

Mine is likely the climax of "Lair of Grievous," where he kills Nahdar and forces Kit to retreat. He was utterly terrifying during that episode; even when the Jedi sliced off his legs, he was a formidable opponent.

KaleeshEyes Try this: watch this video ( ) and pause at the 8:39 mark. That's the image I'm thinking of.

(EDIT) What the- I thought I was just sending a link. Oh well, that works even better.

(FURTHER EDIT) OK, I think I figured it out.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...vous_CN.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081018034149

(ANOTHER EDIT) Or not. I copied the link from the video, it directly placed the video on the page. I copy the link from an image it gives the link for the image instead of directly putting it on here. D'OH!

 

Basically anything where he does something that vaguely resembles winning. The battle of Hypori is Clone Wars of course. Dang he's awesome there.

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Captain Han Solo. Ah, Lego SW. No wonder I didn't quite know what you were getting at. Also here's the image.

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Attention​

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Mace Windu is Awesome asked me to spam the the thread that he originally created and that I sort of ruined (hey, I said it might happen).
If what you want are the separatist leaders
For all you keen EU readers
If San Hill and Nute Gunray are your go
Please post in the link below
--> We will sign your treaty - The official Separatist leaders fanclub

 

I may be repeating myself, but my favourite moment is probably when he first appears in person to the Jedi in that same episode. Close would be when he appears in Palpatine's window, and when he comes in to view to those in the lift shortly afterwards (it's quite funny, actually). As I have not seen any of the comics (or, the bits that aren't available on the internet, anyway), I wouldn't really know.

I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit more, you know, villainy; perhaps, a little blood:

 

General Grievous crying anybody?

 

Yo, KaleeshEyes sign me up, because GG is awesome.

 

Thanks.
You're number 10.
We're in double figures!

 

Awesome.

I take it by your avatar that you're a fan of micro-series Grievous?

 

I'm a fan of the bits and bobs I like. Do love CW Grievous though.
There's a lengthy post a couple of pages back where I attempt to explain it.
Funny how you can become very attached to what is supposed to be a villain. I just can't see him as one.
That shot I think sums up his character. To no other character in SW (IMO) are the eyes as essential.