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Lit What Can Be Reconstructed of Legacy of the Force's Sith-Era Stage?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Golbolco, Apr 16, 2021.

  1. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    I think it’s called the inter Sith wars era.

    Which I suppose LOTF could have worked in.
     
  2. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    I would like more info about the timeline of the creation process. Since according to that review the original plan was to run LotF for 5 years in universe, so was the post-KOTOR plan for a long war.

    But I don't know that I agree with @Irredeemable Fanboy that LotF means no SWTOR. I think SWTOR could still have been made, but the story might have just been changed a bit to take into account lotF.

    But I wonder what the story would be like, would it be about a fall of another Jedi, Revan's kid maybe?
     
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  3. Riv_Shiel

    Riv_Shiel Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I prefer the c. 4,000 BBY - c. 3,000 BBY era to be a series of wars with the Sith (Old Sith Wars), followed by an era when the Sith make no significant moves, followed by a continuous state of war between Republic and Sith from c. 2,000 BBY to 1,000 BBY (New Sith War) that alternates between hot war and cold war. I like the concept of a millennial cycle that marks major events or changes (going back to 5,000 BBY or preferably 7,000 BBY).
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I mean it works generally.

    25,000 BBY as a millennium of wars between the Republic, Tion, Hutts and Legions of Lettow.

    17,000 BBY causing two millennium of Alaskan Conflicts.

    15,000 BBY to 14,000 BBY could be swung to imply a Sith-Dark Jedi conflict.

    12,000 BBY being a millennium of Pius Dea.

    7,000 BBY only has a couple centuries but we also have the Sith and Mandalorian conquests in the Unknowns.

    So yeah.

    I like it too.

    The gap between 3,000 and 2,000 BBY is mercifully empty and we have very little suggestion of conflict. Darth Phobos’s date are very vague, just pre-Ruin to a point when the Sith controlled Korriban; she works best as a Dread Master successor to be honest.
     
  5. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Story wise you could make both fit if the hypotetical post-KOTOR II LotF was a short while after those games and SWTOR is 300 years later, but production wise i don't know if the project would have been concieved if we had a direct follow up to the KOTOR era, at least it would not be remotely close to the SWTOR we know.

    Keep in mind that SWTOR was concieved primarly due to the decision to scrap KOTOR III as a direct follow up from II, so if we already had such a follow up, even if it isn't KOTOR III (and who knows, maybe KOTOR III would have been tied to the Old Republic LotF somehow) then SWTOR as a project (at least in it's setting) would not be a thing, because they wouldn't need to create that era to continue KOTOR's storyline.

    I like the idea of Revan's kid being the focus, maybe the Shans would have taken the role of the Skywalkers as the "main characters family" in that era, taking on all the galactic threats, we got some nods to that sort of lineage in SWTOR with Satele and Theron, but they were never the main focus of the game or the era's story, and we never got any information on the rest of the Shan lineage and if they did anything important in those 300 years.

    Funny to think about it, how both the Sunrider and the Shan are ultimately failed attempts at having "Old Republic Skywalkers".
     
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  6. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    @ColeFardreamer made this observation in another thread and I couldn't help but feel like this might be the right answer.
    Both post-Mandalorian Wars Revan and post-NJO Jacen are returning from a trip into the Unknown Regions with tons of gained arcane knowledge and both end up falling to the Dark Side. Their climactic battle ends up being with a female Jedi Knight who was close with/considered following them at some point. Could this be the answer we're looking for?

    However, it's also worth noting one more option that I don't think we've considered: it's entirely possible that Denning/Allston/Traviss were themselves never attached to a Sith-era project, but instead that it was Del Rey itself that wanted a nine-book series in the Sith-era and then it was a pitch made by those authors that led them to turn to the post-NJO era. That's not unreasonable and might explain why we don't know more from author testimony.
     
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  7. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    So if I read this right, then LotF wasn't a rip off of the PT but KOTOR? Interesting, I can see it. Jacen does also become a war hero, ruthless and then uses that fame to lead a new empire.


    yes I think this the key. If Del Rey wanted this back in 05 then Denning would be writting DN or maybe they had dropped it by then.

    While Traviss might enjoy writing about Mandos I don't think she would enjoy seeing them killed. I don't know if Denning or Alston even know of KOTOR.
     
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  8. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    This weekend I learned that the writers had a placeholder Sith name for Jacen when they planned out the series: Darth Kallus. It’s a bit in the nose, and there’s no indication they were actually planning on using it, but I kind of like it more than Caedus. But anyway, it’d be funny if that name eventually gets used for a Sith Lord in the time period they originally planned for this story.

    Of course, it’s also possible that whatever they had planned ended up being used as the backstory for Darth Vectivus, who did live in that time period. If what Lucasfilm wanted to do was tell the story of a Sith Lord’s fall that explored some moral complexities, then that could make sense. Though of course that version of Vectivus would’ve had to eventually become more of a threat than the version that ended up in the books.
     
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  9. TherenAdarni

    TherenAdarni Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the existence of Agent Kallus makes this less likely. Darth Grievous would almost certainly have been used too if not for a certain someone *cough cough*.
     
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  10. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Wow, Kallus is MUCH better than Caedus.

    Something else that could have been interesting is if Empire at War 2 ever got made, going off this video


    Having a nightsister (with a lightwhip) and a hidden Sith fleet (and army) knocking around could take the place or support the Confeds and Luymia.