ST What do you think of the fact that Han and Leia were no longer together in the Sequel Trilogy?

A lot of people hated that they were separated in the Sequel Trilogy. But to be honest through, a lot of couples do separate in real life. The way that romance is often portrayed in movies, TV shows, books, comic books, video games and other forms of fiction is nothing like how it is in real life. Fiction always make it seem like when two characters become a couple that everything is going to be perfect and that they are going to be together for the rest of their lives (when that rarely happens in real life).

Also, Han and Leia separating from each other doesn't actually seem too out of character for them and seems very believable within the nature of their characters.

 

I think having them break up is as valid a choice as them staying together.

 

I didn't think it would work, but it did. Once Leia decided to dedicate her time to the Resistance, their marriage was already on rocky grounds. And then when Ben fell to the dark side, that would have been the final nail in the coffin. Han may have left to try and find Ben, but as the months went by, he got sucked back into his old life.

 

I never had an issue with it. Life happens..

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I thought it was an unnecessary contrivance, that had little context, and didn’t benefit the characters, or larger story in any meaningful way. In truth, I think it was purely a plot device to try and re-set Han’s character to that of the ‘roguish pirate’ of the OT, rather than trying to depict him (for example) dealing with his life outside of being an ‘outlaw’. Was that a challenge for him? Was he bored by being part of the ‘new’ establishment? I’d have much rather seen how Han and Leia’s relationship broke down and how that impacted on their son. That to me is where the drama of these 3 characters (Leia, Han and Ben) were I.e. how their relationships broke down.

 

Quite valid.

 

Sucked. Unfortunately it didn’t pay off in any real way for the story it was merely Kasdan thumbing his nose at Lucas since he never wanted them together i the first place. Maybe if the ST had a competently constructed narrative i would think otherwise.

 

I don't LIKE the decision, but I'm also not going to say that they were going to be perfectly set for a lifetime of happiness. I think they obviously loved each other, but both could be reactionary and mercurial at times. I don't really see what was gained by separating them, though.

 

I think it makes sense that parents might split up after their only son kills all his classmates, leaves his uncle for dead, and then joins a space-fascist regime set on galactic genocide. But not because Leia and Han has some sort of inherent relationship problems that would one day lead to them splitting up.

Basically I don't like the way it was implemented. I don't like that Leia is in charge of the Resistance, the very rebel militia that's in charge of attacking the FO. And I don't like that Han goes back to pirating. Both were essentially set back to ANH.

I would have rather had them in new stations in life. Leia more in charge of the NR and not just the military - again. And I would have had all three reunite for one quick scene of healing.

 

TFA suggested that Ben’s fall is what made them both “go back to the only thing they were ever any good at it”, aka doing their best to heal, which may mean doing it on your own.

So given the Kylo thing, it seemed okay to me. Whether or not the films should have gone down the Kylo Ren route is another matter.

 

I think it could've been done stronger.

 

Just another awful decision. Yes couples break up; but the ST just went in every single negative direction it could. Not exactly what I go see SW movies for.

 

Yeah, contracting an incurable disease or being in a fatal vehicular crash are both incredibly realistic fates that could theoretically be a major plot point in an interesting story, but that seems like a massive waste if it had happened to one of the main characters off-screen in between Star Wars Episodes VI and VII.

 

Like Alien 3
(I hate Alien 3)

 

I was going to write a long piece about why the Han/Leia breakup was so wrong but I didn't need to - you summed it up beautifully! Co-signed!

 

Before the movie events that we ended up with, I would just as likely think that they'd grow closer together because of this. Crap went down in the OT, and they grew closer. They both could have used each other, to deal with the loss of Ben, as well as Luke going MIA. And maybe even use the event to try and make things better.

Like...the movie seems to set up that Leia started the Resistance afterwards. But it seems smaller than the Rebellion, the NR doesn't officially acknowledge it (despite her own dark sider son being second in command) for political treaty reasons that don't make sense, and they've been fighting the FO for years.

Why not just go for it and write Leia has being on the NR council, in charge of the military fleets, or something, and they believe her when she says the FO is problem. But then when her son defects to the FO, she's kicked off because her being in charge is a major conflict of interest now. So she builds an underground militia, or something with Han. The NR is trying to destroy the FO outright. And Leia/Han are trying to protect worlds set ablaze by their son's evil acts, and maybe get him back before the NR takes down the FO.

I mean, didn't this happen when everyone found out that Vader was her dad? But now it's happening again, and no one cares. It's just sloppy.

 

The fact they had split up was better for the plot they went with - worked quite well....

 

How is it better for the plot? What does it matter if Han is working for the Resistance and stops by Maz's for some reason or he's a failed smuggler? What does it matter for the plot that Han and Leia are split up?

For that matter, what does it matter to the plot that Kylo is their son? Outside of a hamfisted rerun of the OT, why is making the only child of the OT 3 (well, 4 if they are saying Jannah isn't Lando's child when there were rumors she would be) into a dark lord a great idea in the first place?

 

Was reading an interview with Arndt who said “I had originally written R2 and C-3PO showing up together, and Larry very intelligently said, ‘You want to keep them separate from each other. And of course I’m like, ‘No, no, no, Larry. You don’t get it at all!’” Arndt joked, drawing laughs from the audience...

I have a feeling the same happened here too lol.

 

"It rhymes" "muh themes"

 

Yes, I never understood why he was supposed to keep Artoo and Threepio separate from each other - I mean, shouldn't someone have realized that Kasdan's best scripts were when he was working from someone else's story? It must drive him crazy that no one remembers Big Chill or Silverado (which was boring in 1985, it must be like watching paint dry now) or Body Heat or Bodyguard (except for the soundtrack) but they do remember the SW movies and Raiders. He certainly never wrote a decent ending (I cannot even remember the plots of Big Chill or Silverado or the ending of Body Heat). It really seems like he came back to Star Wars to prove something and only proved he can't write a SW movie without George Lucas. Which we already knew.