ST What do you think of TLJ 7 years later?

The lack of imagination around here is staggering.

 

The flaw with logic that we only want Luke, Leia, and Han to be "perfect" is that we already have loved these incredibly imperfect characters for over 30 years. If we only wanted perfect characters, we probably wouldn't be fans of Star Wars in the first place.

ETA: over 40 years. God I'm old.

 

That’s not the point. There’s a difference, dramatically, in a story where you pretty much know the characters are going to end up dead, and a story where you *don’t know* what happens to the characters. Creating a compelling story about Luke’s Jedi Academy, a few years prior to its destruction, would be as challenging as creating a story about the Jedi Academy on Coruscant a few years prior to Order 66. Not impossible, but difficult to create dramatic tension… other than what would be related to their impending doom. Which is why, given a blank slate, there’s more creative freedom, more opportunities to create compelling drama, in a time period not immediately associated with the purge/death/destruction of the protagonists whom would be involved.
I have no doubt that we’ll see Luke teaching his students at some point… but it will be like the scenes in The Book of Boba Fett I.e. it will be as an aside in a different/bigger story, and probably will never be its own story/show.

 

I think Luke's Academy works on screen works best for an anthology series about the New Republic era. Taking inspiration from TCW and having various factions/people get the spotlight.

I would love an arc that shows Luke training his students/building their lightsabers.

Similar to the younglings arc in TCW. Which I did enjoy even with the foreknowledge of "these kids are going to die soon". At least Luke's students had more training and used their sabers longer, being young adults when they died. Since llum has been turned into Starkiller base, it gives the whole "quest in saber building" more complicated. Unless Luke just gave his students the materials, but I doubt he did that.

 

I'm not sure what the point of a show about Luke's students will be. I assume they all die before given the opportunity to do anything.

 

While they didn’t accomplish anything at a large scale (no saving the galaxy….., no stopping the First Order, etc)

His students can accomplish things at a smaller scale.

When Ben Solo accidentally (it’s a bit vague, some have said Palpatine did it, but I heard the author saying it was Ben whom created the force storm) blew up the Academy, 3 students were off world. At some point Luke was letting his students head off without his supervision. We later see that the Academy has a bunch of ships for use.

So we could see smaller scale adventures and Luke and his students helping people.

As I said earlier, I wouldn’t want an entire series dedicated to this, but Luke’s academy filling in the Jedi aspect of an Anthology that deals with New Republic, Imperial remnants, how the First Order came to be, Criminal Underworld, etc would be welcomed for me.

 

The author said that? I repeatedly argued here that he subconsciously created the storm through his anger and got knocked back with claims it was obviously Snoke/Palpatine. It makes way more narrative sense that Ben did it, even unintentionally.

 

I've created my own headcanon. Five years later, you can do that and nobody will care lol. I've created, in my head, a 3rd movie that sits between TLJ and TRoS. It comes on the heels of what happens in TLJ and segues nicely into TRoS. The basic premise is:
DARK SIDE SPEAKS
* Kylo hears voices in his head, leading him to question himself-he hears Snoke, then Vader, then the mystery voice of Palpatine.
*Kylo collects his Knights of Ren to begin his new quest
*Rey senses Force children and goes on a solo mission to save them (Broom Boy). She senses great danger in their lives
*A new radical leader of a First Order-ravaged planet swoops in to take over the Resistance.
*Leia attempts to communicate with Kylo and Kylo has a flashback to when he was young boy-we see the OT3+Chewie+Lando in the flashback.
*The radical leader sends Poe and Finn on a mission to retrieve "something" that will stop the supply chain for the First Order. He convinces Leia to agree to this mission.
*Finn and Poe go on their journey (with Chewie). However, Rose, after doing some research, learns that the item Poe and Finn are seeking is actually a missing piece of a massive weapon (War Hammer) that Leia once sanctioned but abandoned. The radical leader wants to activate it to destroy the First Order.
*The radical leader's targets are planets where the FO abducts youngsters for the ST program. Rose and Leia cannot contact Finn or Poe.
*When Finn and Poe return, they learn of the plot. A moral dilemma is in play. They do not want children killed and do not want to stoop down to the level of the FO. But the dilemma is the war will wage on.
*Leia has a dream/flashback to when Kylo was born and we again see the OT3+Chewie plus Lando
*Leia wakes to an alert that the Radical's weapon is ready to launch, she secretly sends Poe and Finn to disable the weapon. They end up where Rey is trying to help Force sensitive children. Kylo tracks them down.
*Kylo and Rey fight and Rey is BADLY defeated. Kylo retreats when the planet falls under attack by the Radical's army (after finding out the weapon has been disabled).
*Space battle-Leia sends a resistance squadron after the Radical's army-we also get FO ships involved and have a 3-day fight
*The radical is defeated, Rey is hurt, Kylo finally finds the location of the wayfinder that will lead him to the mystery voice.
* Rey is healed, goes to Jakuu to find out more about who she really is. She doesn't get all the answers she seeks but finds out her parents were NOT bums like Kylo claimed. She is visited by Luke's ghost who tells her that she must train with Leia.
*The Force children are taken to a secret safe place.
* Kylo goes to Mustafar and we see Vader's castle where he finds out more about the wayfinder and Palpatine's contingency plan in case he is destroyed. His massacre on Mustafar begins.
*Leia informs Poe, Finn, and Chewie about a leak and send them on their mission
*Leia and Rey watch the Falcon take off-iris out

 

One of the many ST retcons to come.

 

Not that I’d be against retconning the ST (mostly regarding Luke), but do you really think they will? It would be pretty brazen to outright retcon their own content, I would suspect they would save face by just adding and not contradicting.

 

Yes I do. What the ST did to the characters/story was just as brazen - but more importantly it's a dead-end financially.

Disney agreed on ending the Skywalkers partially because the actors had aged out of functional use. Now they have brought them back through digital means. Doesn't make business sense to limit their usage, will only go the other way.

As for Filoni (who is over story) the ST is so fundamentally opposed to how he sees the characters/story/what is SW I don't find it plausible he continues it.

We'll see.

 

I'm stuck in multiquote hell.

 

Dave Filoni’s shows have already referenced the ST

 

What? Where? When? How?

 

Twilight of the Apprentice: we see cross guard saber from the scourge of Malachor, which the visual dictionary says inspired Kylo Ren’s lightsaber design

World between Worlds: Ezra hears voices from the future movies including The Force Awakens.

The Book of Boba Fett: Luke Skywalker’s training temple from The Force Awakens + The Last Jedi is shown. It’s confirmed to be the same place that gets burned down.

And those are not the only references. Less concrete is a visual reference to the scene in Snoke’s throne room in The Clone Wars finale . Basically their is no evidence that Dave Filoni sees the ST as going against his vision or has the authority or wish to retcon it. People shouldn’t imagine what he thinks based on their opinion

 

Interesting. I admittedly haven’t watched TBOBF but I have more faith in those doing the Disney+ content than the creatives behind the ST. Although I don’t see Filoni as the all-powerful content overseer that you do. He is definitely more in tune with Lucas though. I would love to see better backstory for Luke and other staple characters sure. I’m a little cynical about it though, mostly because TLJ was basically it for true live action Mark Hammill. Such a waste.

 

I would've strongly disagreed with this in the past. I felt like the ST was the ST, and now they have to figure out how to deal...

But the more time that goes by, and it becomes more evident that not only does the ST not make any sense, but yes, as you say, it created a dead end. Should the greatest story ever told on screen actually be tied down to such a cluster---- of an ending? Obviously it shouldn't. Just go to Galaxy's Edge and you will see what Star Wars looks like when it's seen through the eyes of the ST. Why should the entire franchise get pulled down because a few people didn't know what they were doing?

Unfortunately, they can never go back and make a new ST, unless they use CGI Leia. Harrison isn't coming back to re-do a trilogy, that seems pretty clear. So maybe they just need to sort of erase the ST from the official story, and leave Lucas' six films as canon. Allow everything they've done since to still exist.

Then create a new Star Wars future for Luke, Leia, Han, and the rest.

 

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Ohhhh the visual dictionary says so. Not the ST movies. Got it. And minor point here, but ... who really cares? This is such a non-anything. But whatever. This has nothing really to do with Mando or BOBF lining up with the ST.

What voices? What dialog? Specifics.

Outside of the simple dome shape, which we've seen before...this entire 'academy' including the environment itself looks very different from TLJ.


TLJ:




And even from the comic, it looks like a completely different world



This is a far cry form what we see in BOBF.

So that means, IF it's confirmed to be the same place...Filoni is ret-conning things already. He's making the entire world and temple what he wants it to be, for his own purposes, not what RJ wanted it to be, nor is he trying to line up with what comes later. This isn't even a case of - well, it evolves into TLJ's Temple later on - either. These are two different places! The environments don't line up. BOBF's world is eastern. Tall mountains, bamboo like forests. The mound the temple is placed on is also radically different. TLJ's world, is much more grassland and plateau like, in the movie and in the comics that are based on it.

So this example - the only one you provided that has anything really to do with the ST storyline - actually disproves your assertion.

You haven't shown any references yet. You've shown assertions, without any reference or sources. Nothing concrete, I'm afraid.

Again, where? You refuse to show your homework. Everything you've mentioned thus far, is illusionary and referential 'hints' as you see it, at best. Nothing specific yet.[/QUOTE]

 

@DarkGingerJedi

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rebels-voiced-world-between/amp/

The voices from the ST are Rey, Maz Kanata, Poe Dameron and Kylo Ren.

It doesn’t matter if the temple looks different. Pablo Hidalgo has confirmed it’s the same one.

The cross guard saber is by itself a reference to The Force Awakens, I cited the visual dictionary because it shows the in universe connection, more confirmation that the sequels are canon.

those are all obvious references. What’s a stretch is to imagine that the sequels are some sort of parallel universe, something Star Wars has never done. Every canon Star Wars thing takes place in one timeline

 

Follow the money. Disney signing digital licenses for entertainers for a reason. What's being done with Luke is just the beginning.


There are some fingerprints of deep SW references that would point to Filoni (since no one else known in power in the room would know). I do believe he was behind Palpatine returning. I recognize a Trojan horse.

When that Palpatine string is pulled and narratively the events of the ST go away some point before Ben Solo turns - then it will be clear.

 

Yes, and correct

To the rest above this, people you all have to stop being delusional. Nobody is going to retcon any movies. The ST is done and was highly profitable. And more Star Wars stories keep coming.

Move on


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What do you mean by this? What does bringing back Palpatine in ROS have to do with dumping the ST from canon? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it if it happens.