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Amph "What I do is not up to you." - Wonder Woman 1984

Discussion in 'Community' started by The2ndQuest , Aug 5, 2016.

  1. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Will do. checked amazon and allposters already, don't see them for sale yet. Hope they don't end up more 'theater/promotional' only posters that never get sold in retail...
     
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  2. Ender Sai

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    Write to President Obama demanding answers.
     
  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    What do you mean by "it might be ok at that time but not now"? Do you mean if a war was going on right now, it'd be ok for superheros to be in it, but if they made the movie 20 years later when the war (presumably) isn't still going on it would be inappropriate? Or do you mean it was something that was ok back when these things were written but shouldn't be done anymore?

    Because I don;t think you can separate some heroes from historical events. You can't separate Captain America from WW2 or Iron Man from Vietnam/Afghanistan (depending on continuity) since the war background is very much part of their origin.

    It also becomes awkward if you ignore the events in an era. It's awfully difficult to set a superhero story during WWI or WW2 and not involve the characters in them in some way without creating some bizarro alternate universe where those events never happened.

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    Checks out.
     
  4. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    I mean it was ok in the 30s or 40s or 60s' comic, but it's quite silly in modern live action movies. Superheroes only belong to their world setting, they(at least most of them) don't fit well in real world settings, especially something like world wars at all. Especially Wonder Woman, someone with mythological background and superman alike power, putting her in WWI, seeing her smashing the Germans would be way too awkward.
     
  5. Ender Sai

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    But putting her in WWII, where she was first created,would be less awkward?

    This is ground control to Major Slowpokeking...
     
  6. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't think a world war, or any real life war event is necessary for her origin story.
     
  7. Sarge

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    I'd like to have a very good secretary.
     
  8. duende

    duende Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    wait wonder woman and captain kirk are on the island from lost?
     
  9. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    I don't really understand what this trailer was supposed to convey.
     
  10. darth-sinister

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    That Diana left Themyscira to fight for the Allies in WWI and found that the world was too cruel and inhumane for her to want to stay there after her involvement ended. Pretty simple. Basically answers Bruce's question from DOJ.

    Same with Frank Castle needing his tenure in the military and not being an ex-cop or FBI agent. Frank goes to a darker place due to the effects of war, rather than being a law enforcement agent. Likewise with Wolverine fighting in various wars as depicted in "Origins: Wolverine", since it goes a long way to establish that he is a soldier and that he grew tired of fighting, which ties into his feelings in that film and in the present day stories. The JSA needs WWII as part of their origin, otherwise it feels hollow as we saw with the Post "Flashpoint" Earth-2 stories. The JSA is essentially the JLA without it.

    Diana is flexible either way, since her character works with and without it. But more people know Diana from her war time connections due to the 70's series, than from the comics and cartoons.
     
  11. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    What I mean is, if you're going to tell her story in those eras and want to avoid involving the wars, you have to contain/limit it to a place not directly involved in (or affected by) the war. And for a character whose origin is, generally, centered around the idea of leaving isolation to join/fight in the larger world, that's almost impossible to achieve.
     
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  12. darth-sinister

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    Indeed. After all, DC had to create a limiting solution in the comics to keep the JSA out of WWII with the Spear of Destiny. So it isn't impossible, but when there is a history of being tied directly to a conflict, then there's no reason to not go there. So long as you don't go too far. Captain America didn't win the war, nor did Wonder Woman. In that regard, it is easier than we think.
     
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  13. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    That new trailer... I feel something... new... something... different. Color, heroism... hope! A world not washed out in sepia snapchat filter! And yet, I am still afraid.
     
  14. ShaneP

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    Looks much better than BVS and Hack Snyder's crap.
     
  15. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Chosen One star 10

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    Wonder Woman is awesome!
    About time she gets her own film.
     
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  16. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Yeah, this trailer was amazing (and not because they added more color to the war scenes). Literally my only negative thought was "I hope that slo-mo thing is sparingly used" which is probably true, so I'm still pretty excited for this film...

    That alley fight in particular looked amazing, and she hadn't even started hitting anyone yet...
     
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  17. Jedi Merkurian

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    That musical cue tho!
     
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  18. laurethiel1138

    laurethiel1138 Force Ghost star 4

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    Yeah. It's utterly badass. I'm so glad they didn't go the easy route (violins, horns, etc...) and went with a rock guitar riff. Way to make a statement about how strength and daring are not the province of one gender.
     
  19. Jedi Ben

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  20. Jabba-wocky

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    Slowpokeking is at least partly right here. While some franchises have done it successfully (the X-Men First Class series walks the line well enough), involving superheroes in real world events often serves to trivialize them. The worst/best example of this is the first Captain America film, which required an exculpatory note about how the Red Skull didn't really believe in Nazi ideology and was ultimately insubordinate to Hitler. There's no real reason the plot required this, except the evident--and deserved--embarrassment about trying to talk about the Holocaust in the same breath as some cartoon with a bright red, deformed head. While Iron Man isn't so perilously insulting, it also comes off as not plausibly or meaningfully about any modern conflict because it can't really afford to be, and maintain its glib tone. There's just a vague, implausible captivity by someone about something.

    World War I is not quite so bad. It's actually potentially interesting if they are going to imply that chemical weapons are the unprecedented threat that compels Amazon participation. That said, this trailer was not clear to me at all what the actual plot of the film was going to be. Having her slow walk over trench is pretty stupid, too. We in fact have examples of people trying such bayonet charges in World War I, with over 90% casualties as a result. If blocking a few rifles with a bracelet is cool, doing so for several hundred yards in the face of machine gun emplacements is just laughable.

    All of this is not to say that this is going to be a bad film. But the space for a good one is quite narrow.
     
  21. I Are The Internets

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    Why can't we have superhero films set during the Clone Wars??!!!??!!!!
     
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  22. darth-sinister

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    But at least there was a basis for the Red Skull to go off on his own, given Hitler's own curious pursuit of fabled relics and introducing HYDRA into WWII, gives the story it's own flavor. No, at the time the comics were made, no one had any clue how bad things were and were going to get. That's why Stan Lee and the other writers that followed him were wise to find ways to keep Cap out of the war's conclusion, while maintaining that part of the origin. In the case of Iron Man, it was never about fighting in the war. It was always about Tony Stark showing off his technology in a war torn country and getting captured as a result. The meaningful aspect of the story is that Tony, in the films at least, has to own up to his company's fault in contributing to the harming of civilians. That his father made weapons of war in the name of trying to maintain peace, but didn't see the smaller picture and how he sees it and has to fix his father's mistakes, as well as his own.

    Why? Diana uses all the weapons on her. The bracelets, like the shield, are just one example of what she has to rely on for defense. The character doesn't need anything more than that to take on multiple men with guns.
     
  23. Jedi Ben

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    You had superheroes, they were called Jedi.
     
  24. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well just saw that Gal Gadot announced she's pregnant for the second time. Glad to see she's having such a good year.
     
  25. VadersLaMent

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