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What kind of role will Count Dooku have?

Discussion in 'Archive: Revenge of the Sith (Non-Spoilers)' started by darkOmegazer0, Dec 8, 2002.

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  1. darkOmegazer0

    darkOmegazer0 Jedi Master star 4

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    If the clone wars end near the beginning wouldn't the Count have to be captured or killed? How exactly is he gonna have a larger role? WILL he have a larger role? What do you people think? Is there a logical way to have him throughout the movie like Vader?
     
  2. Darth-CrOaT

    Darth-CrOaT Jedi Youngling star 1

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    im guessing he wont have a huge role...
    i mean he dies.... why would he have a huge role?
     
  3. Adali-Kiri

    Adali-Kiri Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He will be killed by Anakin. And possibly set up by Palpatine, who needs a younger and more powerful apprentice for the next phase of his plan - the extermination of the Jedi Order. It would make sense that Anakin killing the Sith apprentice leads him further down the road to becoming one himself, mirroring Luke in RotJ.
     
  4. darkOmegazer0

    darkOmegazer0 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well duh...I mean storywise.....Why/how is he gonna face Anakin, how is he gonna survive the clone wars...where's he gonna be during the movie?
     
  5. Adali-Kiri

    Adali-Kiri Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well duh ... at this point I think Lucas is the best to answer these questions. Sorry for posting in your thread, buddy.
     
  6. darkOmegazer0

    darkOmegazer0 Jedi Master star 4

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    I wasn't trying to be mean, sorry, I was just trying to make my question more clear.
     
  7. Adali-Kiri

    Adali-Kiri Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Sorry, I guess I over-reacted a bit. :)

    Seriously though; The Dooku character is completely at Sidious' mercy. He is a Sith Lord because Sidious wants him to be so. When Sidious needs him no longer, or have found a more powerful successor, his day in the sun will be at an end. As we see in AOTC, Palpatine is already grooming Anakin as a possible future apprentice.

    Lots of things point to this ---
    1) Anakin's mention of Palpatine as a good man early in the film clearly indicates some sort of contact; 2) This is confirmed in the scene where Anakin thanks Palpatine for his guidance; 3) I get a nasty feeling when Anakin argues for dictatorship on Naboo. This isn't just a tease, he really does mean it. And someone has planted these thoughts in his head over time. Palpatine.

    Darth Maul was used as a weapon to launch the Sith bid to conquer the Republic and the Jedi. Darth Tyranus is now being used to construct the conflict that enables Palpatine to take complete control of the Republic and build an army. Charisma and political and economical strength is needed to gather followers to the Separatist cause, and Dooku is the perfect man. To top it off, he is a fallen Jedi Master. Sidious doesn't need to train him, just to turn him. A short-cut that will be repeated, with Anakin, and ultimately contribute to Sidious' failure.

    But in the next phase, Sidious needs an exceptional Jedi to destroy the Order and to command the armies of clones that have been created. Darth Vader. And according to the ancient rule of two, Darth Tyranus will have to go. I find it likely that Sidious will manipulate Anakin and Dooku so that Anakin's trial and seduction to the dark side involves confronting and defeating Darth Tyranus, in the same way that Palpatine makes Luke fight Darth Vader in RotJ.

    What else Dooku might be up to in Episode III, I don't know.
     
  8. darkOmegazer0

    darkOmegazer0 Jedi Master star 4

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    Luke confronted Vader for a reason but do you think there will be a real reason Anakin confronts Dooku...will he even, since Vader asked Palpatine in ROTJ "He will come to me"? as if he went through something different.

    Plus it's not like Anakin has a connection with Dooku, unless he's out for revenge.
     
  9. Emperor_Dan

    Emperor_Dan Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Hmm, do you think Dooku will realize the error of his ways forshadowing Anakin's turn in ROTJ? Maybe this is why Palpatine needs Anakin instead of dooku.
     
  10. MadMc

    MadMc Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I agree with some of the others here.

    - Storywise, Dooku will be the scapegoat (sp?) to be blame for the clone wars. His death (by the hand of Anakin, I'm sure) will end the Clome Wars and will make anakin a hero.

    The duell is likely to mirror the final of ROTJ, only difference that Anakin gives in to his hate and desire for revenge.
    Revenge for his arm, the death of many Jedi on Geonosis and in the Clone Wars and, I suspect, the death of Padme as well.

    Maybe it will even be revealed that Dooku, having connections to Bounty Hunters (Fett), has something to do with the death of Shmi.
    Bit farfetched, I admit, but not impossible.

    Chers,
    Mac
     
  11. DarthBoba

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    Perhaps Anakin will think that Dooku has something to do with the death of his mother, thus launching him into the Dark Side?
     
  12. DarthMaul13

    DarthMaul13 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I think Anakin killing Dooku and turning to the darkside would be too obvious and recyling old material. I'm hoping Lucas comes with a more ingenious way to kill Dooku.
     
  13. darkOmegazer0

    darkOmegazer0 Jedi Master star 4

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    I had a theory that Dooku actually is the leader of this group of darkside followers who worship Anakin (because he's the chosen one) and will beg Ani to kill him. Or something...it was alot longer where Ani goes to find the prophecy scrolls(he wants to know why he's the chosen one) and finds Dooku with a bunch of freaky monk looking people and Dooku tells him the truth about the prophecy and tells Anakin to kill him because if he doesn't, Sidious will make them battle to the death and Dooku is all like "I can't risk losing the chosen one, you must take my life young jedi" but it's all Palpatine's plan then yada yada yada Obi-Wan appears and then that leads into my Obi vs Ani theory. PS that's why Dooku looks all sad when he cuts off Ani's arm. Just another random theory.
     
  14. ISD_Devastator

    ISD_Devastator Jedi Master star 4

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    Adali-Kiri: that's my idea exactly.
    DarthMaul13: we all know George likes to mirror stuff between the films (1&4, 2&5, 3&6), so he's definetely recycling his material. I'd drop off my bench if he didn't.
    DarthOmegazerO: fell off the floor, man. ouch. That's a really strange idea..

    Good, good. Your hate has made you powerful.
     
  15. azzgonjinn

    azzgonjinn Jedi Youngling star 1

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    im thinking dooku will kill padme, and this is why anakin will go crazy and turn and get revenge
     
  16. Jedi_Learner

    Jedi_Learner Jedi Knight star 5

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    If the clone wars end near the beginning wouldn't the Count have to be captured or killed?

    What if at the end battle, Count Dooku's solar Ship attempts to escape from the main cruiser of the Seperatists? His ship activates the self-distruct and everyone thinks he's dead. He made it look like he is dead. He comes back afterwards for the final invasion of Courscant and dies after a dramatic duel with Anakin?
     
  17. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I always imagine he'd die in the middle of the film.

    The way I see it, Dooku escapes after the Clone War ends, but later on Anakin (Mace or Obi-Wan could possibly accompany him), catches up to him during the middle of the film. A duel takes place, and Dooku is killed.

    However, the importaint thing about my theory is that I believe Anakin will kill Dooku in rage. Dooku taunts Anakin some how or upsets him, Anakin becomes filled with rage, and kills Dooku. This will be Anakin's second taste of darkside power and killing in rage, thus Anakin's path to the darkside takes a turn where he can no longer turn back.

    Just a theory of course :D
     
  18. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Jedi Youngling

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    They way I see it...

    Dooku and the emperor have something planned for anakin, since, when dooku cuts darth vaders arm, he breathes in a dissapointment way.

    If Yoda sense anakins anger and pain, so have the emperor and he will use this to rage something via Dooku so I think Anakin will kill Dooku... Although I would love to see Yoda kill Dooku.

    I want to see anakin kill all the jedis in a duel battle... or even two at a time.
     
  19. RKMeibalane

    RKMeibalane Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It is also possible that Dooku may actually be one whom Palpatine orders to being the Jedi Purges. Dooku defeats several Jedi, and thus, draws out the anger of Anakin, who confronts the Sith Lord. Dooku is killed, and Anakin unknowingly becomes that which he sought to destroy.

    Dooku is a mysterious character. I would not be surprised if his ending were somewhat ambiguous, meaning that he may still be alive somewhere at the film's end, a la Bobba Fett from Return of the Jedi.
     
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