What Makes A Sith?

It would be nice if ultimatley Plagieus eventually got his revenge on Sidious.

 

Somewhere in the netherworld of the force is a crazy old Muun laughing his a$$ off at what happened to Sidious

 

I was wondering what is known about Vader in the 18-19 years between EpIII and ANH. I was thinking that by ANH Vader may have been a true sith lord because once the empire calmed down after the clone wars he could have gone to korriban and gotten approval of the sith lords.

 

vader could never be a true sith lord because he was missing all his limbs. therefore he could not master everything it would take to be a sith lord.

 

So says Lumiya, but I'm not sure that even makes sense. She says an intact body is what's necessary. However, even without his limbs, Vader was about 80% as powerful as the Emperor, which is to say, most likely a lot more powerful than Lumiya and most completely intact Force users...so...wth?

 

Yeah, I still theorize that Lumiya's buying into her own self-loathing/rationalizations for why she's not the be-all and end-all of force-users. That or she's blowing smoke at Jacen. ("I'm not -really- a Sith. See, I'm much less threatening when I'm not a Sith, and all self-deprecating and humble aren't I?")

That or she thinks that to be a "real" Sith Lord you have to be able to shoot lightning out of your arse.....

 

I disagree with the idea that Anakin had never had Sith teachings before being proclaimed Darth Vader. As shown in the RoTS novelization, Palpatine gave him a subtle lesson about "thinking inwards" in order to gain the kind of power it would take to save Padmé. And he put it into practice.

Upon the birth of Darth Vader, his training immediately began in earnest as he entrenched himself in the dark side by slaughtering Jedi and Seppies with his rage.

So his training technically started just a little before he was given the title. And in Dark Lord, he describes being tantalized with more and more little nuggets of Sith gold until he proved to his master he was ready for the next step.

Who needs approval from a bunch of dead guys when you have a live Sith Lord right here right now?

 

What makes a Sith, is it the woman in his arms?
Is it 'cause she has big *******
Is it the way, he fight every day?
Nah, it's probably the *******

Now you're a Sith! (Sith!)
Sith Sith Sith!
Now you're a Si-Sith! (Sith!)
Sith-Sith-Sith, Sith!


...sorry.

 

One needs to be a member of their order, just like the Jedi need to be.

 

Jesus and I love you, SlackJawedJedi.

 

What makes a Sith?

Your cliche ugly face.

 

I see the Sith as just a title. I find that whole "not strong enough in the Force" to be a Sith retcon to be rubbish. All those weakling Sith I destroyed in the KOTOR games points to title.

 

They were Dark Jedi servants of the Sith, not bona-fide Sith Lords. Different.

I somehow suspect that you know this already.

 

I don't think there's much of choice in that regard, Ex.

 

Sith Lords do not make up the entire Sith Order. Minions, Assassins, Acolytes, and Marauders are classes of Sith beside the typical Lord and Dark Lord. Just because random Sith eleven-hundred thirty-eight is not a Lord does not mean he/she is not a Sith. Replay the Knights of the Old Republic games before making statements like that. Assumptions is the mother of all frak ups.

 

There are a lot of average looking villains out there, to round out the cliche ugly ones and the cliche attractive ones.

 

@Sniper: Aye. but from all reports, the real power lay with the Dark Lords. Everyone else was just a minion of varying degrees of importance and/or threat.

So, yeah, Sith is a blanket term for the collective followers of the cult, right down to the non-force using pilots and soldiers. The Lords are the ones who have all the nasty plantet-kaploding powers, everyone else just gets whatever they can use. Individual classes might be skilled in some area (alchemests, duelests, whatever), but lack the actual ability/training to be a galatic threat in and of themselves.

*shrugs* I don't think KOTOR 1 recognised Sith classes beyond Dark Jedi Apprentice/Dark Jedi/ Dark Jedi Master. KOTOR 2 introduced the varying classes for the Sith in that series of games (though I believe their original conception lay elsewhere). So what is it that bothers you? The fact that the term Sith now no longer refers to just he upper echelons of evil force users? Or that there are evil force users who aren't just Sith? Should everyone who's allied themselves with the Sith be immediately upped in their power and ability? Or is it just a case of the real powers taking help where they can get it?

 

Blithe . . . it's a stereotypical cliche with Sith faces nowadays. They're all ugly. SW is very black and white in many regards. There's nothing wrong with a normal Sithic face.

It's about showing creativity, and what you want to show in your writing.

More importantly is the bias. Poll the taskforce, and you'll see how many are 1) male, and @ human.

Yuck.

 

Lumiya's apparently ravishing, and Jacen's a downright heartthrob. As for non-humans, we may not be qualified to judge.

About KotOR's use of the term Sith: there were real Sith, there were Force using thugs with lightsabers that were little more than Dark Jedi, perhaps less, there were non-Force sensitives that took up military positions. The thing with KotOR is that Revan and Malak were leading this massive war machine that they never bothered to name anything other than the Sith, so that's what that became. If they had chosen a different name for their team, then only Malak and Revan, Uthar, Bandon, Nihilus, Sion, and all those fellas would be called Sith and everyone else would call themselves the Boston Red Sox or whatever. They all work for the Sith, so they're called Sith and thus are pretty much considered "Sith."

I hate the way the Sith are portrayed in KotOR 1. Mindless friggin' thugs. Malak is cool, but the grunts you face on Korriban are disgaceful: snot nosed and obnoxious, and pretty stupid. That's not how you become a Sith. Sith are intimidating. Sith are scary. Nihilus is downright pants-wetting creepy, for goodness sake, and kudos to the creators for that.

 

It's also about following the previously established continutiy and canon: that many Force-users who draw heavily on the Dark Side of the Force are physically, spiritually, and sometimes mentally deteriorated by it, hence the cliche sithness.

Power comes at a price.

 

Bingo. If I see another human male hero with short brown hair I'm going to excommunicate the author who made him.

Ditto to cookie-cutter dime-a-dozen baddies. But maybe that Legacy series will turn some biases on their heads.

I hear Botox injections can do wonders. There are also plastic things called contact lenses that can cover up discoloration of the eyes.

 

Well, in the KotOR context, the "Dark Lords" are the scary/intimidating ones (Well, except maybe Darth Bandon, but at least he looked cool). Outside of them, the rest of the "Sith" -are- pretty much cannon-fodder/thugs, with a few exceptions for folks like Uthar Wynn and Yuthura Ban.

 

^^ Even so, the distinction is made between "real Sith" and "the guys who work for them."

 

Lumiya's apparently ravishing, and Jacen's a downright heartthrob. As for non-humans, we may not be qualified to judge.

Attractive Sith are more appealing and also possibly more alluring. It's the whole Vampire attraction/seduction thing.

Perhaps it is time for a new Sith order that does not follow Darth Bane's rule of two. After all the NJO was founded with limited knowledge of the old order and is considerably different than the Old Order.