What "Obi-Wan did" to Anakin?

I support what Kenobi did to Anakin. Or would you rather Anakin did the same to Kenobi?

 

Yes, it was. And we're not just saying it. Lucas says it in the context of the story he is trying to tell. I'll have to find his exact quote from "Rolling Stone" right before ROTS was released.

Vader/Anakin discovers compassionate love because he sees that Luke is willing to die rather than turn. It makes him reflect on his own choices.

 

That's just it, I DIDN'T read your post

And no, I don't think Obi-Wan would of deserved to have his legs chopped off. Of course not. He doesn't deserve it. There you go again, under minding me. But I sure as hell don't support what Obi-Wan did to Anakin.

 

And outside of fire there's little difference, Vader is in serious pain and both Jedi turn there backs on him.

Take into consideration that Luke was in no position to help Vader at that point because he was being attacked by the Emperor's force lightning immediately after making it clear he would not turn to the dark side. When the Emperor is dead, Luke does try his best to bring Vader to safety. The fact there is no fire in ROTJ makes a big difference. Obi-Wan left Anakin to die a very painful death, when chopping off his head would me much less painful than burning alive.

 

When the Emperor is dead Anakin has just sacrificed his life for his sons. Big difference with when he threatened to turn his sister instead.

I'm not saying Obi left Vader on a waterbed with satin pillows, but i think it's funny that a lot of posts are basically saying he should've flat-out killed him. As if that isn't an infliction of pain, from my point of view; death would be the ultimate state of "pain". Especially if Star Wars has something along the lines of hell (which Han hints at in ESB), because in the state Vader was - he would've burned eternally.

I'm not trying to say Obi "spared" him of that or anything; just that alot of people seem to think death's "a way out" - which we really shouldn't be so sure of.

- O_F

 

to the topic

if it is the Will of the Force that Anakin must destroy the sith, then at that point it is the Will of the Force that Obi-Wan walk away and let the Force do as it Will.

simply. if obi-wan kills him, he is doing something against the Force's Will

 

Im sorry Anakin Luver I just don't understand your logic. Each fighting situation is different, we don't really know if that was the only thing Kenobi could have done. Perhaps he should have allowed Vader to succesfully land and continue the fight. Maybe Vader would have killed him eventually, I don't think Kenobi wanted to take that chance. In martial arts we call it the what if factor. No one usually questions anothers decisions because the situation is different for everyone. Don't forget they are fighting for their lives and weilding a weapon that cuts through steel, nevermind flesh and bone. In the overall view of the story Kenobi did the right thing.

 

Even though it's only a computer game, teh ep III video game alternate ending was cool. anakin Lands teh Jump stabs obi-wan through teh heart and kicks him so he rolls into the lava.


As for my personal opinion, I Root for Obi-wan the entire Time and am glad he won teh duel totally, anakin deserved to die. but then you see him limbless and that music kicks in.... and you suddenly think of the journey he has made the last three movies and it becomes sad. all in all.... Obiwan shoudl have killed him

 

fralleg - Obi-Wan left Anakin to die a very painful death, when chopping off his head would me much less painful than burning alive.

Yeah, I already said that as a viewer I have no problem with Obi-Wan killing him by the time of the leap. I just happen to believe that Lucas decided he wanted Obi-Wan's failure to be that he could not let go of his attachment to Anakin and kill him. Obi-Wan's line to Yoda in the Temple is what I base some of this on.

I also would have no problem if Vader had received his injuries by falling in the lava. Then, of course, we could have a million more threads about why we should worship at uber-Anakin's feet and spit at the feet of midichlorian-deprived Obi-Wan who couldn't take the former in a duel. Or more threads about how Obi-Wan was cruel not to have jumped into the lava to save poor precious one.

 

Bingo^^^ Yoda and Obi-wan both resigned themselves to the fact that the force was going to have to let things run their course. They were only getting in the way coming up with rash "Destroy the Sith, we must" decisions.

 

I suggest you watch the movie, when Obi walks out Vader is choking a pregnant woman. Then they have a chat and Vader tells him that Obi's either with him or against him - that's the challenge right there.

Obi-Wan ignites his saber and says "I will do what i must" - that's him accepting the challenge

Anakin saying you are either with him or against him is only placing sides. Notice that Anakin even says "Don't make me kill you." At the very most, Anakin's comments are bullying or threatening... but threatening somebody isn't the same as challenging them to a duel to the death. Obi-Wan drawing his saber is a clear sign towards violence. Anakin does nothing that hints at violence (at least towards Obi-Wan) until this point. In any court of law, Obi-Wan is the original aggressor.

Your point was the Obi was supposed to kill Vader, i said that was Yoda's intent - not Obi's. And Jedi kill when it's absolutely necessary, which is why Obi doesn't kill a defenseless Vader.

Point being that Jedi kill people when it serves their purpose. Obi-Wan was (to his most honest knowledge) killing Anakin by leaving him burning alive in agony on that incline. It's the same thing, only one is completely cruel and the other is justice.

My point was that had Obi tried cutting Vader through the middle, there'd still be a lightsaber coming his way; he had to make sure that that was taken care of first

That may have been your point, but it's still ludicrous because people don't survive being cut in half... Maul is proof of that.

But he doesn't know if the ends are the same; that's the point some of us have been trying to make all along. Instead of killing him outright; he leaves it to chance. If Vader's supposed to live; then he'll live. Which he did.

Right, so leaving somebody in burning agony is ok because "It's not my decision whether they live or die"? Absurd.

What am i agreeing with? You said his specific actions weren't necessarily noble, i said nobody ever said they were noble.

Then why are you defending his unnoble actions?

He draws it because he knows Vader will attack first; he's a Sith, that's what Sith do. And i fail to see how slicing Vader's head off doesn't constitute as "putting him through pain".

That is such a stretch. I'm sorry that I can't say exactly what was going through a fictional characters mind, but I think you are way wrong here. Drawing a lightsaber is the equivilent of saying "Let's get it on" in a ring. Sith's attack true, but if Obi-Wan knew that Anakin was going to attack him anyway, he would have just waited. Why pull out and ignite a lightsaber unless you intend on attacking the person. Your logic is sorely flawed to think that a person would draw a gun just because they know the other person will attack first. It's just not the way things work.

And for the latter part. Cutting off somebodies head is quick and relatively painless (or so science would tell us). Watching somebody burn alive is puting them through pain. I thought that would be common sense.

Ease off on the judging here. Obi-Wan doesn't watch him die painfully and slowly, he says what he feels he has to say and immediately leaves; you're nearly villainizing him here. He's not Darth Maul who smiled and pulled off pranks while a young Jedi hung on for his life.

Yes he does. He stays there for a good couple minutes while Anakin is bellowing in pain and agony. Sure he's giving some "I was right you were wrong" speech but that doesn't change the fact that he watched Anakin in agony while doing nothing. Then Anakin ignites on fire and he just leaves him there still screaming in pain. That's a good person there. What possible negative recorse would happen to Obi-Wan (to Obi-Wan's knowledge mind you) if he had put out Anakin's burning body? Nothing? I may be villainizing Obi-Wan's actions, but it's a hell of a step above glorifying them.

Vader screams in pain when Luke chops off his hand, whether it's mechanical or not (or whether Luke

 

Looking back Obi could have been real cruel and chopped off Anakins manhood as well while yelling at him about it being against the code to mess around with the girlies and making sure he never did it again. Only problem is Palpls would swear to him that he could restore manhood as well as keep people from dying. No pun intended but Anakin gets the short end all the way around even in his revenge years later as Obi just dissapears and dosent suffer some getting cut in half painfull death that im sure Vader was hoping he would.

 

Especially this part: Only problem is Palpls would swear to him that he could restore manhood as well as keep people from dying. What a chosen idiot.


Hmm, no wonder Obi-Wan died? He looks really upset about it too when sacrifices himself for Luke and Leia. I'm watching A New Hope right now. That scene is just great. Vader stomping on an empty robe like the sucker he is.

 

Wow! Six pages on this subject.

Poor Obi-Wan. Damned coz he did vs Dead if he didn't.

My view - Anakin deserved what happened to him. Obi-Wan warned him and Anakin chose to ignore that warning. Even then, Obi-Wan didn't set out to kill him but to maim him which he did. Anakin then catching fire was unfortunate but it sure wasn't Obi-Wan's fault that that happened.

 

First time Obi tells him dont try it I have the high ground, and stupid Vader does it.

Next time Obi tells him if you strike me down I will become more powerfull than you can possibly imagine or something like that. Vader goes wack and Obi starts talking to Luke right away. Almost sounds like if Vader would have listened to Obi's words that his evilness would have went alot better and much less painfull as well. In ROTS Obi was actually saying, just float on by now and save your limbs for 20 years later when im old and weak, plus ya will need them and the speed and agility they provide for later facing your kid.

 

I allway thought why OB1 didn't finsh Vador off and through or push him in the lava.Maybe it was some kind of revenge of a Jedi?

 

The Jedi do not believe in revenge. They believe in working to bring balance to the force. He left Anakin to the will of the force, that's all.

 

I was prefering to all the other post and what there where saying that is all.

 

And I was responding to yours

 

Obi-Wan considered finishing him to put him out of his misery but left it to the will of the force after seeing Palpatines ship approach. According to the novel.

 

Anakin got exactly what he deserved. Obi-Wan warned him not too but because of his arrogance he did and got chopped for it. Anakin had murdered numerous Jedi with his own hand and is responsible for the other numerous deaths around the galaxy. What if Obi-Wan would have killed Anakin then???? There would be no balance to the Force. The Emperor and the Sith would have never been destroyed and then everyone would be complaining that its all Obi-Wan's fault for killing Anakin. Obi-Wan did what was right in his mind and remained true to the philosophy of the Jedi. He left it open to the will of the Force. Obi-Wan should be thanked for what he did on Mustafar. He saved the galaxy through one act alone. He maimed Vader ruining the Emperor's plan for Vader to rule and by not killing him Obi-Wan left it open for Anakin to turn back and fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One.

 

it need not be any more complicated than this

 

Hmmm balance to the force....which means the destruction of the Sith....hhmmmmm that certianly sounds like revenge.

 

Of course it was justifed. Darth Vader got what he deserved. He killed every stinking jedi in the Jedi Temple. Anakin killed a bunch of LITTLE kids!!! How can anybody here feel sorry for Darth Vader. He gutted every single one of them end he enjoyed it!