What was Count Dooku's angle in Episode II when he told Obi-Wan the truth?

sorry cant help it. it was really a spur of the moment comment as i realized all the very skilled actors there were: Lee, Ewan, Liam, to an extent Jackson and then....Hayden. its not really a bash, but that he had these great actors at his disposal (execpt for Liam) to learn from

 

I get it, but he really ain't got time to learn. That is what acting coaches are for. He was there to do his job and he did it well. Same with the other actors, they didn't have time to teach him, they also had a job to do. That is why they picked him. Don't forget Ian Mcdiarmid. He was probably the best.

 

Dooku told Obi Wan the truth to confuse the Jedi. By telling the truth he put doubt in the Jedi's mind. They didnt know what to believe.

It was also a disucssion which set up the later duel between Dooku and the two jedi.

Dooku WAS NOT plotting against Sidious.

 

^So certain are You.
I've always thought Dooku was trying to convert Obi-wan to his side. Once Obi helped him kill Sidious, Obi would not be able to resist simillar to what Sidious did mesmorizing Anakin after he helped kill Mace.

But that is just a theory. He could also be trying to help the Jedi, or confuse them.
Nobody ever listens to the Devil.

 

Shaitan is correct on this one all the way.....still its bad writing on lucas' part to concieve dooku as a classy gentleman genius and then make him into someone second only to anakin in stupidity....lol

 

Now who said we could never agree C76 lol!

GL says on the dvd that dooku is trying to confuse the jedi - cant remember the quote....Sinister?

The part about setting up the jedi was told to Stover and/or Luceno by Lucas.

But if you think about it, it makes good sense and is a clever move by dooku. However...what C76 eluded to is very corret - Dooku is the most intelligent naive person in the galaxy...ever!

 

He used Obi-Wan's imprisonment as a tool against him when he said if he joined him together they could defeat the Sith. The plot failed though.

 

What plot? He didnt want Obi Wan as his apprentice.

 

Yes, but he wanted him to fall into a confused thought so he would be easier to use for his purposes.

 

Shouldn't this be in the Prequel Trilogy Fourm instead of the ROTS Forum?

 

That's what I was thinking.

 

Dooku did want to turn Obi-wan, but not to overthrow Sidious. He felt that Qui-gon's greatest student would make a fine Sith Lord. Sidious pointed out to him, just before the fight on the Invisible Hand, that Obi-wan's too indoctirned in the ways of the Jedi.

 

I disagree Sinister. No Sith apprentice becomes an apprentice to stay an apprentice. The "rule of two".

Come on, Vader was an apprentice for 48 hours and he was already planning to kill Sidious. Dooku wanted to kill Sidious and figured Obi Wan was going to jump at the chance to wipe out the Sith.

When Obi Wan refused, he had to kill him, and tried to several times.

I know what was in the novelization, but I don't buy it.

 

Well, in the book Labyrinth of Evil it says that Dooku told Obi-Wan the truth to throw him off, and he did it on Sidious' orders. Also, there was earlier discussion on Sifo-Dyas, but he was a friend of Dooku's who had the gift of foresight, and he knew that the Jedi woud need the clone army and he placed the order. Then Dooku killed him as a act to become a true Sith, and took over the clone order.

*~*Ti*~*

 

I understand what the EU has to say about both issues, but in my opinion they conflict with what we see in the film and what Lucas himself has said in the past.

 

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Date Posted: 1:54pm Subject: RE: What was Count Dooku's angle in Episode II when he told Obi-Wan the truth? - Date Edited: 2:01pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Ti
Well, in the book Labyrinth of Evil it says that Dooku told Obi-Wan the truth to throw him off, and he did it on Sidious' orders. Also, there was earlier discussion on Sifo-Dyas, but he was a friend of Dooku's who had the gift of foresight, and he knew that the Jedi woud need the clone army and he placed the order. Then Dooku killed him as a act to become a true Sith, and took over the clone order.

correct correct correct......impressive knowledge base.......

 

Well according to GL and not the stupidity of the EU, Dooku said those things to Obi Wan to confuse the jedi and to set up the duel between himself, anakin and obi wan.

I dare you to disagree with this - I DARE YA!

 

I kind of said the same thing.

*~*Ti*~*

 

i thought sidious was trying to have dooke test obi then when obi didnt bite he chose anikin

 

I kind of said the same thing.

I've said it a million and one times but no one seems to take any notice!

 

great minds think alike buddy^

 

Well according to GL and not the stupidity of the EU, Dooku said those things to Obi Wan to confuse the jedi and to set up the duel between himself, anakin and obi wan.

I guess if that's GL's word we have to take it....Still, that explanation doesn't leave me satisfied....I think the Jedi were already pretty confused as it was...why risk them actually putting two and two together and figuring out the truth? As for "setting up" a future duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either....being as they were at opposing sides a duel seems pretty inevitable anyways, and I don't see what Dooku said making it any more likely.

In an earlier post it was mentioned that Sidious wanted the Jedi to figure him out so that he could eventually come to head with them and wipe them out. That makes a bit more sense...

And part of me thinks that perhaps Dooku really wanted Sidious destroyed because he was truly evil. My impression of Dooku was that he was an idealist who just got mixed up with the wrong methods; perhaps he wanted Sidious to fail (and not because he wanted to grab Palp's power, but because he really wanted the Sith to be stopped).

O well, perhaps it will never make sense.

 

nub nub

 

i thought the same thing about dooku as well at first.....i wish it would have been true because it would have created a story of heroes surrounding the PT....making anakin's fall even MORE tragic IMO.

 

Did you see ROTS? The Jedi were looking at the Senate to figure out where Sidious was. Then they start suspecting Palpatine of being evil. Then Palpatine tells Anakin who he really is, which gives him the excuse to kill four Jedi and initiate Order 66. That's why Dooku told Obi-wan.

Dooku was told by Palpatine that they would be forging a new Sith Order, appearntly foregoing the rule of two. Dooku's problem was that he was too trusting of Palpatine. You will recall that Lucas edited ROTS and approved of Dooku's motivation for being Sidious' Apprentice and what he would get out of this, if Anakin managed to beat him?

It is only Anakin, who has loftier goals, who wanted to kill Palpatine. Dooku was content to work for him. Hence his surprised reaction that Palpatine wanted him dead.