PT What was the Jedi Council's problem with Anakin?

Maybe it was just a Yoda/Mace thing but they seem not want to train or even talk with Anakin in TPM after Quin Gon Jin tell them about his and his count. Mace really looks pissed off, almost like "Why is Quin Gon Jin wasting our time". They way they handle Anakin has to part of the blame for the fall of the Jedi.
Maybe ever few weeks Quin Gon would come in and say he found the one to bring balance to the force.
The Jedi Council members seem to be very full of themselves.

 

It was the Jedi's dogmatic ways that made them so apprehensive. They didn't like going out of "status quo" and prefered everything to go by the book.

Qui-Gon was the exception to the rule, and it was because of that he was not only treated differently, but why he was also not on the Council himself.

 

It's pretty simple, Anakin failed their test.

He's far too old and emotionally unstable. No amount of midichlorians could change that.

Their reluctance to train him has nothing to do with his midichlorian count, Anakin simply does not meet the requirements for training.

Anakin's potential, Qui-Gon's death and Obi-Wan's insistence is what causes the Council to reluctantly allow his training.

 

Yes but I was talking about before they even seen him or knew of him.

 

Okay.

I didn't see it, I think Mace and the Council seemed pretty stoic throughout the movie.

I think they were surprised at the idea that Qui-Gon thought he found the Chosen One.

Once Qui-Gon requests Anakin to be tested, the Council just looks at each other, nods and Mace says "bring him before us".

I didn't see any problem, and I don't think Mace looked pissed off.

 

True. However, I did think he sighed like, "Yeah, yeah, sure, okay..." before he said his line. That's what I noticed anyways.

But Anakin would've failed even if they didn't test him. He was nine, not an infant.

Honestly, I think Qui-Gon messed up before they even left Tatooine. He got Anakin all excited about being a Jedi when according to their rules, he should've been found when he was a newborn. He built his hopes up and the Council dashed them to peices. What he should've done was something like, "I can't promise you much, but at the very least, you'll be in Coruscant a freed man."

Best case scenario: Qui-Gon gets the Council to let Anakin stay as a repairman to mend ships, etc. He gets to hon his already incredible talents of machinary and be with the Jedi.

 

In TPM he seemes like an quite normal boy, so I don't quite see what was going against him besides Jedi tradition. Being afraid that something bad could happen to parents/master is quite normal considering the age and that Shmi was living on a really dangerous planet.

The order seemed rather ignorant for rejecting him first for barely any reason whatsoever.

 

How is that messed up??? Shmi wanted Anakin to have a better life and she knew that Qui-Gon would offer that to him even if that meant Anakin becomes a Jedi.

As far as Anakin was concerned, Qui-Gon was defending him in front of a room full of cold, heartless magicians. He has no idea what Qui-Gon really meant when he called him the "Chosen One".

Obi-wan was never supportive in making Anakin a Jedi and Qui-Gon knew this which is why they didn't discuss it. Plus, Obi-wan is at that age where he should be on his own and he told Qui-Gon that he is greatful in believing that he is ready to face the trials.

Even if Anakin was warned, he still wouldn't listen. He didn't listen when Qui-Gon told him that living a Jedi's life wouldn't be easy, he never listens to Obi-wan, and when Palpatine told him that he'd be a representative on the Jedi Council, Anakin assumed that it meant he be a Jedi Master but it's not what Palpatine said. Anakin is too self-absorbed to see that he's not going to get what he wants.

Qui-Gon is very sensitive to others' feelings and was well aware of the consequences of his actions which why he wanted to free BOTH Anakin and Shmi but Watto wouldn't allow it. If anyone was insensitive, it was both Obi-wan and the Council since they all didn't care about his feelings and believed that he is dangerous. Obi-wan even said so to Qui-Gon even though Anakin was standing in front of them while he said it. Neither Obi-wan nor the Council realize that treating Anakin like a threat would lead to him becoming one and it didn't help matters when they made him spy on Palpatine.

 

They're all at fault, really.

Qui-Gon shouldn't have done that "Chosen One" thing. For all young Anakin knew, "Chosen One" meant being a new member of the Jedi.

The Council should've done something else. Maybe suggest Qui-Gon find something for the boy to do that best fits with his talents. He's good with machinary, for example. Obi-Wan screwed up too, saying in front of him to Qui-Gon that he was dangerous. Anakin heard because he then told Qui-Gon, "I don't want to be a problem..."

At this point in time, Anakin's a nine year old who just been freed from slavery. His mother's still a slave in that place, he's surrounded by a culture he's never experienced before, and as far as he knows, the Jedi Temple is the closest thing to a home he can get to. He doesn't understand what "Chosen One" means, he doesn't understand why seemingly everyone but Qui-Gon keep harping on that he's dangerous which is another way of saying "We don't like his kind here." If the Jedi doesn't accept him, where does he go? Padme has an entire planet at war and she's probably too busy to figure out what to do for Anakin.

He's scared (likely, even though he isn't showing it). Last thing you'd want to tell a scared child in Anakin's position is "Get lost".

 

I agree with anakinfansince1983. It was irresponsible of Qui-Gon to set Anakin's expectations so high by telling him "you will be a Jedi", and by saying "he IS the Chosen One" in front of Anakin. He also should have let Obi-Wan know ahead of time that he planned to announce to the council that he no longer intended to be Obi-Wan's master.

Also, to the point about Qui-Gon being sensitive to others' feelings, I have this example of a time that he was not:
Qui-Gon to Shmi: "I didn't actually come here to free slaves". Watch the context of the scene, and especially Shmi's reaction to him saying that, if you don't think the words themselves were harsh.

 

I did find that phrase rather harsh, especially when he's saying it in HER home. To him, it's just a comment but it could be interpreted as a blatant insult to someone like Shmi.

 

The Jedi Council was the problem....

The same dudes who rejected Anakin, sat next to Palpatine for over ten years and were blind to everything that really mattered.

 

Totally agree. I would appreciate it if someone explained to me what was really wrong with Anakin. Because try as I might, I don't see it in TPM. He has one or two flaws (he has the head in the clouds and has a callous disregard for his safety), but they were totally in "normal human behavior" range.

In fact, Obi-Wan seemed much, much worse as a person. Elitist, confrontational, heartless prick that he was.

 

Exactly. Nothing was wrong with Anakin in TPM. He was just a regular 9-year-old kid.

 

That look on Anakin's face when they rejected him says it all? I'm sure he was disgusted with how they treated him, especially after he had helped some of them. The Jedi were definitely arrogant, hence the ease of their downfall.

 

OK, so, that's a BS cop out. It's like saying, "well, i adopted this child but his parents are riff raff, so he's beyond help, i guess he can live here, but try to love him or raise him right? Forget it. I'd be wasting my time."

That is appalling. But that is the very attitude the Council took with Anakin. And after his endless heroics, how he helped them, how he always did great work, it was never appreciated. Whatsoever. Palpatine threw him crumbs and he ate it up because he desperately needed to be loved and told he was worth something. I really don't know what they wanted from him. He was a kid that they shunned and never trusted, and yet expected perfect loyalty and devotion from him. If they weren't up to it they shouldn't have take the responsibility. You don't arm the most powerful being in existence with crazy martial skills and knowledge and then hold them at arms length like a stinking onion. That was wrong of them. If they accepted a child they should have done everything to help him and no dirty looks and stupid saying are not help.

 

Exactly. At the very least, they should've said, "Thank you for aiding us, Anakin. We'll now find you a good home on Naboo."

Sure we have the foresight of knowing what Anakin will become, but for this moment in time, we must put ourselves in the shoes of a nine-year-old in Anakin's situation.

He's likely thinking, "Jeez, even Watto was nicer than these people..."

 

Shows just how far the mighty, all fell...

The day Watto is seen as more compassionate than the Jedi, is the day the Order officially loses it's way....

 

I definitely agree that the council acted in an unnecessarily cold way towards Anakin. But to me, I still consider Qui-Gon more to blame than the council. He put the council and Anakin in a tight spot, not to mention Obi-Wan. The council had rules, which may have been unreasonable or outdated, but which they obviously considered to be proven over time. Qui-Gon forced their hand to address the Anakin situation, with Anakin right there. But as I said, they could have been nicer to Anakin about the whole thing.

And as I said earlier, Qui-Gon also unnecessarily inflated Anakin's expectations and ego by telling him "you will be a Jedi", and by saying "he IS the chosen one" right in front of Anakin.

 

Wait what?
Qui-Gon was the guy who freed Anakin, he gave Anakin his life back. How could he possibly be more to blame than the council? He may have made mistakes by filling the boys head with ideas but at least he saved him from slavery. Without Qui-Gon there wouldn't be any options for the boy.

Obi-Wan, the councils lapdog, was opposed to taking Anakin with them. He was the one who actively sought to deny Anakin a future.

 

When did this happen?