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What was the point of Grievous?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by flashbang, Feb 18, 2008.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    He's a Jedi trap. Essentially someone they can't reason with, and have a hard time defeating. He's not designed to last very long, he's simply that complex a trap - four arms, magnetic hands, repulsors, electric binders, immense agility and speed - that most Jedi die within three seconds of fighting him.

    Adi Galia, a member of the Jedi Council, got killed by Grievous, for example. Shaak Ti was beaten. Ki-Adi-Mundi could just about hold his own, but even he was disarmed before the clones intervened.

    If you can work out a method around the trap - the various abilities - then he's relatively easy to defeat. He's really a one or two trick pony. After that, it's over.

    Thus he's beaten by Mace severely everytime they meet. Once in Obsession, again in Labyrinth of Evil, again in the Clone Wars cartoon. Throw him against Yoda? Grievously Dead Grievous.
     
  2. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    He only has repulsors in LOE, and even then it seems like it's because Grievous probably wasn't completely finalized by the time of the writing of the book, so Luceno used repulsors, rather than extra arms, to allow Grievous to fight with extra sabers.
     
  3. MasterLuke-83

    MasterLuke-83 Jedi Youngling

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    Ok so we all talk about how annoying Jar Jar is. What I find odd is how Episode 3 gets by with the most annoying villain of the movies: General Grievous. I found him irritating, in the same vein of the other goofy characters Lucas conjures up.

    The cough, the hunch back, the speeches of doom, a bit over the top, as if Lucas was trying to be funny again.

    And that unicycle vs the lizard scene made my head explode. Massive abstract visuals there.

    Just a bit annoying is all.

     
  4. PlagueisesApprentice

    PlagueisesApprentice Jedi Youngling star 1

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    if you're into EU, then he becomes a much more logical character. in some books grievous was portrayed as dookus greatest apprentice so was a logical choice to take his place as sidious' lackey.
     
  5. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Grievous could never be a true apprentice of Dooku.
     
  6. PlagueisesApprentice

    PlagueisesApprentice Jedi Youngling star 1

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    If you read Labyrinth Of Evil it says he was one of Dooku's many students.
     
  7. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So was Skor, Vos, Komari and Ventress...

    If any of them gets to call themselves Dooku's apprentice, it will Ventress.
    And, the Clone Wars 3D series will do just that.
    Mark my words.
     
  8. Obi-Chron

    Obi-Chron Jedi Master star 4

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    "Self-trust is the essence of heroism."
    ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

     
  9. GrandAdmiral_Frank

    GrandAdmiral_Frank Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The point of Grievous was the point of his lightsaber, to bring death and destruction!
     
  10. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not when the Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is...
    The droid general's main weapon/tool/tactic was actually fear, as told by Count Dooku.
    The droid general's rep as a Jedi killer defies what we know about Jedi Knights and Masters.
     
  11. GrandAdmiral_Frank

    GrandAdmiral_Frank Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I agree to some extent. Yes his brain was tweaked with but that sort of kills is because then everyone can have their brain tweaked. It weakens the mystical aura of the Jedi. I imagine that not everyone would survive having their brain tweaked and it did mess with Grievous, still though.
     
  12. jedibri

    jedibri Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Grievous id a diversion for Sidious to get Anakin alone. At least that's the way I see it.
     
  13. Mace_Windu111690

    Mace_Windu111690 Jedi Master

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    As the previous poster stated, he was nothing more than a diversion, just like Dooku was.
     
  14. goraq

    goraq Jedi Youngling star 4

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    ,,Grievous id a diversion for Sidious to get Anakin alone. At least that's the way I see it.,,

    More like a despendable warlord i think.
     
  15. Compactor_3263827

    Compactor_3263827 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I agree with the first few posters: that Grievous was just the last stepping stone on the path to Darth Vader. We'd seen the pure Sith and Fallen Jedi aspects, we just needed the half-"man" half-machine part.

    I wish that Grievous was given more of a background in the movies, though. If one was to watch simply the movies without the extra media, he just seems thrown at us randomly, except for a slight mention in the crawl.
     
  16. Obi-Chron

    Obi-Chron Jedi Master star 4

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    GG's primary role in the saga?

    "Step right up, kids! Get your own walking, talking and coughing Swiss Army Robo-Chicken!"

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  17. Game3525

    Game3525 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    G.G like Maul, and Dooku are merely plot devices. There is only one true villian in the PT and it is Palpatine.
     
  18. TPF1138

    TPF1138 Jedi Master

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    Grievous exists, on a purely narrative level, as a device to keep Obi-Wan busy while Palpatine works his seductive powers on Anakin. Further, he essentially serves as a MacGuffin to be chased after, something tangible that exists within the frame work of the film that can be pointed at and said; ?If we get that? then we can end the clone wars.?

    I mean in the final analysis the clone wars are ended by two persons: Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. Obi-Wan destroys Grievous, and Anakin slaughters the separatist leadership [though he is, more properly, Darth Vader by that point]. The head?s been cut off, their movement, and the war it precipitated, is now dead.

    The original intent had been, as I understand it, to use Dooku, until Lucas determined that he really wanted ?ol Darth Tyrannus?s death to come as a result of a final showdown between he and Anakin. Thus allowing for Skywalker to be nudged a little further toward the dark side.

    But Grievous also serves as a precursor, a marker, a signpost, much as Dooku and Maul did before him, to the eventual fate of Anakin Skywalker. The pure Sith Lord, the fallen Jedi, and the malevolent cyborg. So there?s a thematic reason behind Grievous? existence which extends beyond his role as ?plot device'. Lets be clear as well while we're using the term, there's nothing wrong with a plot device, and in a series driven by its plot we're inevitably going to see one or two. The flaw would be if the device was not integrated into the body of the narrative, and given character and life on it's own terms. Grievous though, is integrated very well, becoming an essential part of the piece, with a very clearly drawn character and motivation. He?s a cool old school, Republic serial style villain, who loudly proclaims his own prowess, fights with four swords, and runs the moment something looks like it might get the better of him. Not the deepest of characters certainly, at least not inside the confines of Episode III, but he doesn't need to be. I think Grievous is great.
     
  19. Motee

    Motee Jedi Master star 4

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    Grevious was there to make merchandise money. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  20. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    QFT.

    "EEEEEECHUUUUTA, ding me chasa hoppa!" Ternian lives!!=D=
    Bet this forum looks a wee bit different now, eh?
     
  21. Motee

    Motee Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm baaack.... :p

    What QFT?
     
  22. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Quoted For Truth.
    (Since there was nothing more to add to your post...)

    And, welcome back.
    [face_peace]
     
  23. Motee

    Motee Jedi Master star 4

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    LOL Gotcha.
     
  24. Darth-Johnny-Cash

    Darth-Johnny-Cash Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I can't think of one. He was meant to be this bad ass and all he does in run and hide like the coward he is.

    What a waste of time.
     
  25. goraq

    goraq Jedi Youngling star 4

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    He just doesent has the screentime too be a good villain.
     
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