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What would Yoda have done if Anakin had told him Palpatine was the Sith Lord?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Darth Sin, Apr 22, 2008.

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  1. Darth Sin

    Darth Sin Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This thought came to me and maybe it has been discussed before. But I could not help but think and question what Yoda have done if Anakin had come to him and told him that Palpatine was the Sith Lord. In other words, if the roles were reversed and Mace had gone to the Kashykk and Yoda remained at the Temple, how would Yoda have reacted to the news from Anakin that Palpatine was a Sith Lord?

    1. Would Yoda have taken the three Jedi Masters or went alone?

    2. Would Yoda have taken Anakin with him?

    3. How would Yoda have handled Palpatine trying to manipulate and lie to Anakin about the Jedi trying to take over.

    4. Would Yoda have been the same as Mace declaring that Palpatine must die, or would he have had him arrested and taken in after having him beaten?

    As I write this, I have to say I think Yoda would have handled this situation differently. I am not saying necessarily better than Mace, but rather differently. I will not elaborate on my on thoughts until I hear from many of you others.

    I will say though to questions 1 & 2 that I do not think Yoda would have brought the 3 masters, but I somehow believe he may have had Anakin go with him.

    Your thoughts.

    Darth Sin! :cool:
     
  2. emporergerner

    emporergerner Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I do not excatly now how Yoda would have handeld it, but my guess is he would have been more cautious. Mace just kinda went in and said come with us your under arrest. Yoda I think would have handled it better and much diffrently.
     
  3. Darthbane2007

    Darthbane2007 Jedi Master star 4

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    Simple.

    Yoda would have took Chuck Norris, Superman, and Goku at SSJ3, confronted Palpatine, and say " Arrest, you are under my lord."
     
  4. Vortigern99

    Vortigern99 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    1. He went alone later, after the other Jedi had been killed or dispersed, and almost beat Sidious. It's a fair bet to conclude that Yoda would have been wise enough to take other Jedi with him, and with their strength added to his own, would have been able to defeat and arrest Sidious.

    2. Yoda would have left Anakin behind, just as Mace did.

    3. Yoda would have been as stymied by this as Mace was; all his protests to the contrary would likely not have swayed Anakin from under Sidious' influence.

    4. Yoda would have arrested Palpatine rather than try to kill him.
     
  5. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    You forgot Kyle Katarn.:p
     
  6. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Not really. In the GFFA "Chuck Norris" means Kyle. :p
     
  7. MasterAnders

    MasterAnders Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I thnik there would be no OT!
    Yoda would have talked differently to Anakin. And Anakin may have told Yoda what sid said about saving someone from death....
    If so, Anakin would have understand that all sidious said was all a lie, and then Sidious would die!!
     
  8. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Except it wasn't.
     
  9. SaberSlash

    SaberSlash Jedi Youngling star 1

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    If Yoda rushed off like Mace, Anakin would still turn. Yoda did not relate Anakin. The celebrate the death of ones you love speech went right over Anakin's head. The only Jedi capable of understanding Anakin's rationale, and therefore relating and getting getting through to Anakin, was Kenobi. And we know Palpatine conveniently kept Kenobi distracted elsewhere during his move. Palps knew Anakin was in the bag unless Kenobi intervened.

    However, contrast the personalities of Yoda vs. Mace, I think Yoda would have held an emergency Council session to ponder the next move.


     
  10. LordVader66

    LordVader66 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If Mace had good relations with the Wookies and Yoda remained on Coruscant?

    "Young Skywalker, come you must, in the Chancellor's Office, your destiny is"

    Palpatine, seeing Anakin and Yoda, surrenders, is arrested, placed on trail and is aquitted of all charges, it may prolong Anakin's career as a Jedi, but it's not like Yoda for Mace isn't going to make Anakin bow down and become Vader. Really, you could argue that Anakin was signed, sealed and delivered as a Sith Lord when he heard the legend of Darth Plagueis.
     
  11. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Jedi Knight star 5

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    Would Yoda have taken Anakin with him?


    Yeah, I think Yoda would have taken Anakin with him. If for nothing else, to confirm the story in case Palps tried to lie his way out of it.
     
  12. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    I think he may have taken Anakin with him. I also think he would have had greater sense of Anakin about to strike him, if he had tried to kill Sidious. However, i am not so sure he would have tried to kill Sidious. I think Yoda would have been more cautious.
     
  13. xx_Anakin_xx

    xx_Anakin_xx Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think there were a lot of more sensible plots that could have occurred here. This is certainly one of them. Yoda and Anakin go to Palpy and arrest him would have been what happened in my judgment (Yoda was cautious and IF Anakin was the chosen one, he was wise enough to realize that Anakin would need to be there to fulfill his destiny if it came to that - and he would not be Vaapadly rash like Mace).

    But we had to get to the OT and there while tons of things could have changed destiny, it was already written, filmed and in print, so none of these alternatives could happen. But yeah, logically Yoda going would have totally changed things, that is precisely why he wasn't chosen to go (by GL).
     
  14. Obi-Wan-1000

    Obi-Wan-1000 Jedi Master star 4

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    I think he would have told the other Jedi about if first, and I think he would have done it a lot diffrently then Mace did, In my opinion.
     
  15. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Yoda should bring a few senators along to watch from a distance( with holocams), just in case.
     
  16. Darth Sin

    Darth Sin Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    These have been some excellent responses and many in my own line of thinking. Of course we cannot change things in the story, and this is not necessarily a "what if" thread but moreso to bring out something that has not really been discussed that often and that is the different personalities and ways of handling situations of the two primary leaders of the Jedi Council.

    And so I felt the scenario where Mace goes to Palpatine's office to confront and arrest him was a good place to contrast the two. Something that I thought of from AOTC that Anakin said to Padme about Obi-Wan that helps bring to light more of Yoda and Mace's personalities and ways of doing things, at least from Anakin's perspective. When telling Padme of Obi-Wan and his influence on his life, he said of Obi-Wan, "He's as powerful as Master Windu and wise as Master Yoda"

    So I think this statement by Anakin gives a pretty good clue as to even how others viewed Mace and Yoda. So going back to the subject of what would Yoda have possibly done in this situation, I do believe he would have been more cautious and used wisdom. Mace went the power and political pathway, Yoda for me would have went the way of wisdom and rationale. I think since Anakin told him about Palpatine, he would therefore have taken Anakin with him. Just imagine how this would have changed things in many, many ways. I also think that Yoda would have brought no other Jedi with him. This lessens the feeling of being threatened from Palpatine. I also don't think he would have just outright attacked Yoda either because Yoda would not have drawn his lightsaber first as Mace and company.

    I think Yoda would have went in calmly and sarcastically said something like, "Young Skywalker has told he believes you to be the Sith Lord" I think that is all he would have said, and then Palpatine would start squirming and have to say something to either deny it or go after Yoda. I just do not think Yoda would have said anything about arresting him or anything that would have been taken as a threat or to overthrow him.

    Also as others have said, I think Yoda would have been more sensitive to the Force and the moment to think that if Anakin is the Chosen One, if he is to destroy the Sith, and Palpatine is the Sith Lord, then he would use wisdom and caution to allow it to possibly playout without his interference to Anakin would not possibly become confused. I think if Yoda had been in this scenario and laid back wisely Anakin would have spilled the beans as to why he trusted Palpatine and thus Yoda would have then pulled back the deception. Mace simply was not sensitive or wise in regards to Anakin and so this helped to bring about the events that transpired with the Chsoen One turning to the dark side.

    And by the way, I do agree that Obi-Wan would definitely have gotten through to him in this scenario as well.

    Darth Sin :cool:

     
  17. r8hitman

    r8hitman Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Unfortunately I think it would have went down the same way.:(

    People seem to think that Mace is the only jedi that kept doing things in this saga that he shouldnt have, in all honesty Yoda did just as many stupid things as every other jedi.

    Why would he be in so much of a rush that he would go to fight Sidious alone?

    Why not take Obi-Wan with him and then go tackle Anakin together?

    Why not contact a few other jedi and get together and plan to tackle Sidious as a team?

    Mace and Yoda made damn near the same mistake.
    At least Mace took a few other jedi with him, but Yoda just jumped up and went after him all on his own.:confused: 8-}

    Hell, it wouldnt have surprised me if Yoda would have even went in for the arrest on his own.[face_laugh]
     
  18. OBIWANARNO

    OBIWANARNO Jedi Master star 1

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    Yoda is the wisest Jedi I think he would simply have waited for Mace to return. I have never understood why he didn't wait to at least inform Yoda what happened. Then the two greatest Jedi and possibly Anakin and Kenobi would have calmly arrested Palpatine.
    Anakin would never have struck Yoda down as I don't think Yoda would have contemplated killing Palpatine (partly because Anakin told him about his dream. Yoda knew exactly who he was referring to) and thus Anakin would never have interfered. The only reason Anakin did what he did was to be able to save Padmé. Yoda would have waited for Mace and then Palpatine would have had to act and attack Yoda etc. which was never a part of his plan. Palpatine arranged for Kenobi and Yoda to be away when all this happens for a reason - they would have been able to stop him (Yoda) in accomplishing his goal and Anakin (Kenobi) from turning to the dark side.
     
  19. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Yoda would have handled the situation very differently than Mace did. Both Yoda and Mace handled Sidious on their own. Mace tried to place Sidious under arrest. Yoda tried to kill Sidious. Yoda would have forced Anakin to go into more detail. The outcome would have been different at that point in time. Yoda wouldn't have raised his lightsaber like Mace did. That was his undoing.
     
  20. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think Yoda might have potentially waited a trifle longer..he's 900 years old; what's a few more days to think things through? :p

    Yoda does seem to be the cautious part of the leadership circle, as compared to Mace. He only moves to kill Sidious when it's the only option remaining.
     
  21. SaberSlash

    SaberSlash Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Let's not forget Palpatine's perspective. Even if Yoda came with just Anakin, I doubt Palpatine would let Yoda and Anakin arrest him. Anakin was in the bag at that point especially w/o Kenobi near.
     
  22. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    True. Kenobi seems to be able to keep Anakin level.
     
  23. Darth_Davi

    Darth_Davi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What good would it have done? Wasn't Yoda on Kashyyyk at the time? Action needed to be taken immediately, and Mace was the senior Jedi on planet. Anakin reported the info to the highest Jedi available that could do anything about it. All Yoda would have done is tell Anakin to go tell Mace, since he was in a position to do something about it, while Yoda wasn't.
     
  24. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think from Palpatines perspective, if he had sensed Anakin coming along with Yoda and Kenobi to arrest him, he would have beat it out of there. Or as is usually the case, go with a plan B. Palps always had a plan B (until ROTJ of course)
     
  25. Sidious69

    Sidious69 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Cause and effect.


    This would never have happened. Sidious won't allow it.

    Sidious is 3 steps ahead of everyone.

    Him sending the Separatist to attack Kashyyk is a calculated move.

    As the Chancellor, he deduced Yoda's close relations with the wookies.

    Just as he deduced that if he suggests Anakin to go get Grevious, the council will send Obi-Wan to Utapau instead.

    Just as he deduced the Council will allow Anakin to be part of the council so Ani could spy on him.


    He knows he has to get rid of Obi-Wan and Yoda to finally set-up Anakin and frame the whole Jedi Order.
     
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