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What's Padme's problem?

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by R2D1000, Mar 30, 2004.

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  1. R2D1000

    R2D1000 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Someone raised this issue on aother board, and it's something I've always felt too. Why does Padme act like a jerk?

    It first starts when Yoda when he tells her how good it is to see her alive and she just ignores him and asks if anyone knows who did it. Then when she's sleeping, she covers up the cameras. When JarJar says he aqccepts his postion with humility she rudely asks him to leave. When they are in the Theed palace she embarrasses Anakin in front of everyone. Then later on she yells at the clone trooper after falling out of the ship. "Get a transport, HURRY!".

    So what's her problem?
     
  2. NeoBaggins

    NeoBaggins Jedi Master star 5

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    I sense a lil humor there but there is actual truth to what you speak. If you look around, the forum is "Creeping" with anti-Padme talk. This is why she is the chairman of the bored.

    Lack of knowlege of, and is unenthused about, STARWARS. This shows through in her performance. She is stiff, bored, cold, and dry. So she seems to come off like a biga$$ jerk. Do you remember when she says "..Thats why we must not fail to get the Viceroy. Everything dpends on it." There was so much attitude I thought she was going to snap her finger, roll her eyes, jerk her neck, turn and say, talk to the hand. She just isnt cool to watch at all.

    And your right. She was very rude to the Jedi master.
     
  3. rsterling78

    rsterling78 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that she was elected as the ruler of her planet before she had even gone through puberty. That wouldn't encourage humility.
     
  4. R2D1000

    R2D1000 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think George Lucas added that in, to have a dig at his ex wife Marcia. Perhaps she was similar in her behaviour



     
  5. doctoryoda

    doctoryoda Jedi Master star 7

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    Remember she's a politian and they're not to be trusted!

    She's rich. It's what they do.
     
  6. Depa Billaba

    Depa Billaba Jedi Youngling star 2

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    R2D1000: You can't blame Padmé for shutting up Jar Jar. He's rather like C-3PO.

    Then later on she yells at the clone trooper after falling out of the ship. "Get a transport, HURRY!".

    I don't see anything wrong with this either, except that it was just stupid for the clone troopers to take orders from Padmé. Will they take orders from anybody who gives them orders?

    But the rest (especially the way she insulted Anakin in Theed Palace), yeah, I agree with you.

    Depa Billaba
     
  7. Jainalover

    Jainalover Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Yes, the Senator from Naboo seems to have a major attitude problem in this movie.
    It is a shame as she was doing so well in the previous film.
     
  8. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "It first starts when Yoda when he tells her how good it is to see her alive and she just ignores him and asks if anyone knows who did it."

    I don't know but if my starship was just blown up and one of my favourite handmaidens was killed I may be a little pre-occupied with finding out who did it.

    " Then when she's sleeping, she covers up the cameras."

    She didn't want Anakin looking at her. It made her feel uncomfortable. Protecting oneself from a "peeper" while you sleep in your neverminds is not rude. It's normal.

    "When JarJar says he aqccepts his postion with humility she rudely asks him to leave."

    And if she hadn't cut him off he would expressed his gratitude for a long, long time. Jar Jar doesn't know when to quit. Besides, she's still his boss.

    "When they are in the Theed palace she embarrasses Anakin in front of everyone."

    Anakin was acting like a little boy and she put him in his place. Nothing wrong there. If you act like a petulant child someone is going to call you on it.

    "Then later on she yells at the clone trooper after falling out of the ship. "Get a transport, HURRY!".

    Well, he's a soldier. She's taking command. Commander's bark orders all the time. Would you have rathered her say "Trooper, if it's not to much of a bother, would you be so kind as to arrange some sort of conveyance that we may catch the villian?"
     
  9. Darthoffski

    Darthoffski Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Editing of a performance, plus the likelihood of a 'bad eyeline match' when working with characters added later, using a vocal performance recorded in a different time and place can mar the chemistry between characters.

    Mark Hamil worked with a yoda that was right in front of him, with the vocal performer working the puppet, so he had Yoda's positions and movements to react to, as well as the specific tone of Frank Oz's voice during a take.

    Assembling a Yoda performance entirely in post production for Yoda hardly merits blame going to Natalie Portman for the end result not having any spark or seeming to be unnatural.


    And did people not notice the possible 'in joke' involved in shutting Jar Jar up? Wasn't that what many wanted? And so, she wasn't being rude, at least I don't think so, and I find it quite funny that the hyper manic JJ of TPM was so easily silenced.
     
  10. Talones

    Talones Jedi Youngling

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    the part where she goes to speak with the current Queen of Naboo, and the queen says.. "The day we stop beleiving democracy can work is the day we lose it." and then Padme says "Lets prey that day never comes" im sorry but the way she says it, it just drives me insane how bad of an actress she is. she needs to go back to Mars Attacks.
     
  11. Depa Billaba

    Depa Billaba Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well, he's a soldier. She's taking command. Commander's bark orders all the time. Would you have rathered her say "Trooper, if it's not to much of a bother, would you be so kind as to arrange some sort of conveyance that we may catch the villian?"

    Are we to assume that Yoda waited around to tell the clones about everyone that they can take orders from and everyone they can't take orders from and then came to Geonosis? If things had gone according to plan, Anakin and Padmé wouldn't even be on Geonosis. There's nothing wrong with Padmé ordering the clones around, but it's ridiculous for the clone trooper to follow her orders just because she ordered him to do it.

    She didn't want Anakin looking at her. It made her feel uncomfortable. Protecting oneself from a "peeper" while you sleep in your neverminds is not rude. It's normal.

    Except that she's in danger and the Jedi are there to protect her. It's completely all right for people to "protect themselves from a peeper" in normal situations, but she's compromising her security by covering up the security. It may not be rude, but it definitely is stupid.

    I don't know but if my starship was just blown up and one of my favourite handmaidens was killed I may be a little pre-occupied with finding out who did it.

    Would that pre-occupation extend to being rude to important people?

    Anakin was acting like a little boy and she put him in his place. Nothing wrong there. If you act like a petulant child someone is going to call you on it.

    I disagree with you on this completely. Padmé had no reason to insult Anakin the way she did (I'm not talking about the entire Theed Palace sequence, just the beginning, when Padmé says that Anakin is not a Jedi yet, just a Padawan).

    Depa Billaba
     
  12. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "Except that she's in danger and the Jedi are there to protect her. It's completely all right for people to "protect themselves from a peeper" in normal situations, but she's compromising her security by covering up the security. It may not be rude, but it definitely is stupid. "

    But they programmed Artoo to do security. So she had it. It didn't work but would the camera's have seen the assasine bugs?

     
  13. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "I disagree with you on this completely. Padmé had no reason to insult Anakin the way she did (I'm not talking about the entire Theed Palace sequence, just the beginning, when Padmé says that Anakin is not a Jedi yet, just a Padawan). "

    She is a Senator, that carries more official weight than being a Jedi, espescially a padawan. Actually, Anakin's arrogance was insulting to the other people who had more exprience and wisdom than Mr Know it all, which is how he was acting. But's that fine, you can disagree w/me all you want.
     
  14. Latorski

    Latorski Jedi Master star 4

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    It first starts when Yoda when he tells her how good it is to see her alive and she just ignores him and asks if anyone knows who did it.

    I wonder about the editing in this scene, whether some pieces of dialogue were removed. Anyway, I like Yoda's next line "in grave danger you are" and the fact that he seems to enjoy saying it, as if she deserves it for being rude.

    Then when she's sleeping, she covers up the cameras.

    Anakin answers this one: "I don't think she liked me watchign her." Not many people like to be observed sleeping. Can't you just see Anakin peering into her bedroom, dreaming of being there himself?

    When JarJar says he aqccepts his postion with humility she rudely asks him to leave.

    I didn't think she was all that rude there. As stated earlier, some people don't know when to stop talking. The scene is meant to be a little funny. Besides she's giving Jar Jar the opportunity of a lifetime.

    When they are in the Theed palace she embarrasses Anakin in front of everyone.

    I agree. That was harsh. I think she's already falling for Anakin but is uncomfortable with the feelings that arouses. For her, belittling him is a way to convince herself that she really doesn't like him.

    Then later on she yells at the clone trooper after falling out of the ship. "Get a transport, HURRY!".

    Hey, its war! If she'd said, "can you please get a transport?" it wouldn't feel quite right.
     
  15. sea_trooper

    sea_trooper Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Don't forget when Anakin and Padme are getting married, you can hear her whisper "I hope you die Anakin!". :p
     
  16. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This is why she is the chairman of the bored. :p

    I thinks she actually whispered "You'll give up your other arm for me too." Then she gave him a monster Honey-Do list.
     
  17. fosh-bantus88

    fosh-bantus88 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    yeah, she is a jerk in AOTC.

    what i cant understand though is why she thinks a relationship is so forbidden for her. Its not like theres a rule that senators cant be married.

    i think she just enjoys jerking with anakins emotions.
     
  18. PhantomMenace

    PhantomMenace Jedi Knight star 5

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    "I wonder about the editing in this scene, whether some pieces of dialogue were removed. Anyway, I like Yoda's next line "in grave danger you are" and the fact that he seems to enjoy saying it, as if she deserves it for being rude."

    He did seem liked he enjoyed saying that, didn't he? :p You're right though... she definitely didn't deserve his niceness.

    I've noticed all this myself about Padme'. She's rude and impolite to so many others. When Yoda said he was glad to see her alive, I don't see why it would have been so hard for her to have said "Thank you". And then with Anakin, when she said that he was "Still a Padawan learner"... that's mean. He still is a Jedi, just not a Jedi knight. But no, just because Sio Bibble referred to him as "Master Jedi" Padme' has to get all technical and correct him. [face_plain]

    I thought Padme' was supposed to be likable. All of this rude behavior makes her, well, unlikable in some ways. [face_plain] I don't know what GL was trying to get at by making her talk in such ways.
     
  19. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think part of the reason Padme is so bossy is to show where Leia got her strong and bossy qualities from.

    If you compare Leia to Padme, there really isn't much difference. They are both very compassionate and are both very stern.

    A lot of the way Padme acts is the same way Leia does. Padme ignoring Yoda's comments about her being safe is really no different than Leia never bothering to thank Luke and Han for rescuing her in A New Hope. Padme "blew off" Jar Jar in the same way that Leia "blew off" 3PO in The Empire Strikes Back.

    And I don't think I even need to explain the similarities in the bossy attitudes ;)
     
  20. Darth-Seldon

    Darth-Seldon Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The only thing that bothers me is the way she treats Yoda. If the little green guy says something nice, don't treat him rudely.

    But its not that big of a deal.
     
  21. PalpatineAntikristos

    PalpatineAntikristos Jedi Youngling star 3

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    This is psycho babble, I know, but Padme in ATOC reminds me of the type of person who has deep insecurities they are afraid of revealing. These people seem to overuse and over-present the strengths they do have to compensate for their insecurities. They do not want to appear weak. You often see this type of behaviour in people who are constantly being judged compared to others or who are in the public eye. They are often, at base, "nerdy" types who are forced into a public role yet, when in public, aren't comfortable being themselves: the natural, friendly persons they are in private. They feel compelled to behave as they think their public role would demand them to appear, as a queen or a senator. Compare Padme's behaviour when not acting as queen in TPM with her public persona as queen (not her handmaiden's) or her intimate moments with Anakin in ATOC when she lets her guard down. These are two different person(a)s.
     
  22. Ishmis

    Ishmis Jedi Youngling

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    i thought it was great they had Padme act like that beacause its realistic. Shes a politician and they think they are higher up and better then everyone else even jedi masters...
     
  23. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Nice PA! Along the lines my thought as well. I don't think you are too far from the truth.

    Also I agree about mother like daughter. Han did say "you could be a lot nicer though" and even he was quite perturbed with Leia's "into the garbage shute fly boy" for which Han replied "maybe you would like it back in your cell!!!" (hope I got the sequence right).

    High positions can reveal a harder side, but in private a different take.

     
  24. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Let's not forget the whole, dress in a see-through dress, push Anakin away mid kiss, the wearing a skin tight leather top sporting copious cleavage, sitting in a room with a roaring fireplace in the background, then rejecting Anakin's advances.

    Talk about mixed signals.

     
  25. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I honestly don't like her, she just acts so damn bossy. What is up with the whole "blowin' Yoda Off" bit? I think she is a rude skank who need a lesson in etiquette and manners.

    I suppose that the morons on Naboo that vote for Kid Queens / Kings / Senators need to have their heads examined. What kind of fruit loop would encourage such behavior? She is in desperate need of a good spanking and a possible time-out.

    Queen Amadalla-ding-dong is a spoiled and retarded twit. With politicians like her who needs a democracy? We have self-centered meglomaniacs ruling the galaxy of cource is it any coincidence that "Uncle Palpy" is also from Naboo?
     
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