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When did Durge kill Mandalore?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Aug 26, 2007.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This is bugging me somewhat, as it's not too clear, so I'm gonna post about it. Possibly again, not too sure.

    Are we to take 'nearly a century' to mean 'seventy-odd years', or are we to take 'nearly a century' to mean 'more or less a century'?

    The New Essential Chronology had Durge returning to activity around 24 BBY, so, if it was 'more or less a century' that puts the Mandalore - the same man who genocided the Ithullans in 200 BBY, and started a conflict with rogue Jedi and the Bounty Hunters Guild henceforth until his death - dying around 124 BBY, or is it 100 BBY?

    124 BBY also runs parallel with the Treaty of Trammis, which runs parallel with the Outer and Mid Rims being turned into Free Trade Zones, none too soon after the Potentium followers are exiled from the Republic. I'm preferring the minor-conflict wrapping up about here, myself, but curious as to whether 100 BBY, as quoted on Wookiepedia, is right or wrong.

    So, that's that, more or less.
     
  2. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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  3. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Another thing to consider is Boba Fett #3, which had Boba Fett recalling that Jango had mentioned Durge as another contender for the Prime Clone. So it's possible Durge was active again as early as 32 BBY.

    TC
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    So Durge was active as of 32 BBY, and was hibernating for a century 'or so' prior. So 130-120 BBY is when he killed Mandalore?

    Oh this is helpful. [face_plain]
     
  5. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Way to go, Boba Fett books. The whole reason they introduced the hibernation concept was to explain why such an obviously unstoppable guy was not around for prime clone consideration. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Kaje

    Kaje Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My Force. An entire Grand Army of Durge clones. Wow.
     
  7. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Or Dooku-bodyguard consideration.
     
  8. younghansolo

    younghansolo Jedi Grand Master star 3

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  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Durge probably wasn't used because his entire species is unstable mentally, and I would lay bets that his physical body is beyond the understanding of a fair amount of people.

    And the fact he wasn't human. I think it was a given that the Clone Army would be human, thus the human Empire being formed at the end of the era.

    I truly doubt Palpatine wanted insane nonhuman clones running around the Galaxy. Especially as the Clone Wars probably wouldn't have lasted that long - Durge army against Droid army? Pretty pointless the CIS turning up.

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    Looking at the Databank, you could read it as the entire article is running from the sentence 'a millenni(um) before the Battle of Naboo...Durge was in the employ of one of the few remaining Sith...(n)ine hundred years later, Durge was hired to kill the leader of the Mandalorians.'

    So...132 BBY being when he killed Mandalore and ended the Mandalorian Conflict? Considering it took him a century to recover by most other sources, I believe.
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I suppose the question to be asked is- how long was he tortured by the Mandalorians before he went into hibernation? That might account for extra time discrepancies.
     
  11. MandoJedi

    MandoJedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I thing Boba Fett books have something about it in them, but I can't remember the details since it's been awhile since I read.
     
  12. Corran_Fett

    Corran_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Though canon, I wonder how much for serious you can take the young BF books in the first case.

    I think it's kinda hard to pinpoint the year of the assassination of Mandalore. It clearly says "about a millenni(um)", what can be between a good 900-1150 years, depending how accurate you take that "about".

    It's only save to say that it was after 200 BBY, when the Ithullans were wiped out and rogue Jedi joined the Bounty Hunters Guild to take action against the Mandalorians, or so the NEC says. And since the Mandos already managed to capture Durge, I think they had him under detention and torture for quite some years, the "century-long" hibernation and all considered, just like Quest pointed out. If we go by the BF books, it would be safe to say that he escaped the Mandos roughly in 132 BBY. I wonder, if we have Durge get his assignment to kill Mandalore a few years after 200 BBY, how long could it possibly take him to track down and take out his target?

    Also, if the Mandalore's human, then we have to take his lifespan into consideration as well. I think to say he was between 35 and 50 years when he issued the war against the Ithullans is as close a guess as you can make, since a too young Mandalore wouldn't be accepted by his people, and if he's anything older than fifty/sixty, he'd be 130/140 years old by 132 BBY, and that is very old, even by GFFA standarts. And I doubt a Mandalore will remain leader once he gets into senile decay. I my eyes, it all looks like Durge ended the "Mandalorian Conflict" quite some time before 150 BBY, but's that only speculation...
     
  13. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It depends on whether or not the Bounty Hunters Guild hired Durge immediately. Considering how many different aliases he had, and with him hiding from the Jedi and Republic, it's somewhat unlikely he was a Guild member - it leaves a data trail.

    It's possible that when he comments on being underground for 'sixty years' he was speaking of the Mandalorians trapping him. Would explain his continual reference to that?

    132 BBY the hibernation starts, 192 BBY having been when he was captured? Eight year Mandalorian Conflict?
     
  14. Corran_Fett

    Corran_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Where was that line again? My bet's on the BF novels, but I haven't read it.... [face_whistling]

    Well, I for one never heard of the Mandalorian Conflict before... [face_blush] Maybe that's why. :p

    No, seriously, would you care to enlighten me? I'd really like to know about that period of time.
     
  15. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    "I was once buried alive?for 60 years! If that didn't kill me? if the Sith and the Mandalorians and the Bloodboilers of Kragis couldn't kill me?then you won't kill me!"
    ¯Durge in Star Wars: Obsession 2.

    I'm afraid to say that I simply needed a name for the era. At one point, the Mandalorians wiped out the Ithullans in 200 BBY, and the Mandalore was killed in 100 BBY or 132 BBY or 124 BBY or whenever. That's upto a century of low-level violence between rogue Jedi and the Bounty Hunters Guild facing off with the Mandalorians, while the Jedi Council and Republic watched.

    It's fanon, I'm afraid - I invented it for ease. But, either way, we have a protracted conflict - I don't think I could get away with the Second Mandalorian Wars ;) - that could last a century.

    In-between, we have the Dark Force religion creating Kibh Jeen in 188 BBY, a 'Treaty of Trammis' being signed in 124 BBY that was incredibly important for no known reason, per the NEC, and the Potentium were exiled around 130 BBY. All the while, we could have a Mandalorian Conflict running in the background.

    I tend to view it, if so, as where rogue Jedi moved against the Mandalorians the minute they strayed out of line, rather than watching for a few decades, after which a large army and navy and terrible war would be needed, thus Revan's efforts.
     
  16. Corran_Fett

    Corran_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ah, thanks. Didn't recall that particular detail. He wouldn't be talking of his hibernation period there, would he? But I'm not sure he talks about the Mandalorian torture period, because he lists "and the Mandalorians" again. It's kinda like saying "If the Mandos didn't kill me... if the Sith and the Mandalorians [...]". And sixty years might be a little bit too long, imho.

    Yeah, well, it makes perfect sense, you just had me there confused with your invented term. It really is an interesting period of time, one I'd love to hear more about, especially about that brutal Mandalore and the genocide of the Ithullans.
     
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