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which star wars languages are real languages?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Senator_Cilghal, Mar 21, 2006.

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  1. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    well of course the translation means something. That was my whole point.
    I'll indulge you and tell you once what those names mean.

    Jinn means Gold, Qui-Gon means quick steel.
    Klin-Fa Gi means The Fortunate with hair of ghostly/spirit like quality.
    Exar Kun means Kill(er) of the Kun family.
    and Jang Li-Li, well Li-Li is the diminuitive form of the word pretty, and Jang means river. So, The belle of the River family.

    If the above doesn't convince you that yes, Chinese does indeed exist in the Star Wars universe, then frankly, further debate with you is pointless.

    Mu out.

     
  2. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Not arguing that it doesn't exist, just saying that without providing us with translations, those of us that don't read/understand Chinese don't get anything from that last post.
     
  3. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    i was rather surprised that the Jedi names and lightsabre form names were said recently to be High Galactic. Since High Galactic is the ancestor-tongue of Basic, it would mak more sense for it to be French or German, one of the ancestor tongues of English, rather than something that at least *sounds* Oriental to an ignorant Anglo-Saxon ear like mine

    prior to that revelation, I would have thought Jedi words were the "Classical Ossan" mentioned in EG to Planets and Moons, but oh well

    on the other hand, certain Jedi words seem to have predated Ossus's diuscovery by the Republic, such as "Jedi" itself and "ashla", so maybe such words ARE Classical Ossan, and Classical Ossan was just a contributing language to High Galactic? Although Basic doesn't much reflect that.

    We also have all the ships in TIE Fighter series named after Middle Eastern historical, legendary, and mythical figures, IIRC, Xerxes (which is a Hellenized form of the original Persian name), Tiamat (a sea monster/goddess thing), and Gilgamesh (a hero king), etc; similarly, the four ships in Daala's fleet are all named after Greek myth monsters, inc. the Besalisk and Manticore.

    We also have planets named Basilisk and Gargon (which sounds like Gorgon) and an unrelated Besalisk species (Dex's).

    Then we have Star Wars characters with Celtic sounding surnames that start with Ap- or Mc- WHAT to make of them?

    I am pretty sure I read Dooku was Japanese for "poison"

    Is there any proof Lucas intended Vader to mean "Father" or is that coincidence? I always thought it was sinister an sounded like "invader" (compare maul, sidious, tyranus, bane) For that matter, Sith titles seem to rely on word play on English words....as do many puns and word associations in Star Wars (ie, the planet name "Byss")

    Bible inspired names (some Hebrew, some Greek) are prolific...Luke, Leia, Han, Anakin, Ben, Jacen, Mara being the most famous perhaps...also SW is full of Behemoths and Leviathans...Endor and Mygeeto are possibly Bible-inspired as well

    and lets not think too hard about the origins of the word Calamari;) many alien names are inspired by Earth animals...Catumen, Felacatian, and Cathar are quite blatantly from cat; Brizzit seems to hearken to the buzz sound of flies; we have "skeeters" and a character named Skeeter from mosquito; the Aing-Tii monks are probably named to sound "Oriental"; Amaran is a pun off the artist Amara; Amorphian is of obvious derivation; "Annoo-dat" was possibly inspired by "I knew that"?; Aquar are aquatic near-humans; Arachnoids and Araquia are spider-like; Askhew perhaps from the word "eschew"; Baxthrax sounds like bat; Blubreen (aquatic race) sounds like [whale] "blubber"; Cerean sounds (conicidentally?) like "Syrian"; Chikarri sounds like the name of a squirrel species; Chiron (the centauriform Lusa's homeworld) is the name of a famous centaur in Greek myth; Chortose sounds like charteuse; the planet Aridus is...arid; we have the water worlds of Daluuj, Alluuvia, Aquaris, and Aquilaris; Priapulin is derived from a real animal name; Cyborrean sounds like cyborg; Cygnus, Rigel, etc are real star names; Dashade sounds like "shade" and they are shadow killers; Devaronian sounds like devil; D'vouran sounds like devouring--its a living planet that eats people; Dweemon sounds like demon; Eodon (pachyderms) sounds like Mastodon; Epicanthix has to doo with eye folds; Equani and Equine and Equat sounds horse-like; Felinians are felines; Fleebogs are small as fleas; the fishlike Frid are from Mackar (sounds like mackerel); Froffli have fro hairdos; Frozian sounds like frozen (coincidence?); Fuzzum are fuzzy; Galacian lounds like Galatian (Greek eqv to Latin Gaul); Gastrulan is a deliberate pun on gastric; Gaulus sounds like Gaul; Gektl and Gekto sound like gecko; Gensang sounds like jinsang; Gerb like gerbil; Glarsaurs, Saurin, and Saurians are all reptiles; Globblin like goblin or gobble; Gossam like gossamer; Castell like castle; Gotal and Gotiard like goat; Guineo like guinea; Isis is a planet named after...an Egyptian goddess;
     
  4. SilentSpeaker

    SilentSpeaker Jedi Youngling

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    It claims in this site
    http://www.sagajournal.com/snamesofstarwars.html

    that a possible source for the name Anakin came from a friend of Lucas named "Annakin", the original script had "Annikin".
    (Is that biblical, celtic or neither? I've seen this on another website too, wikipedia(?))
     
  5. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I think it was some sort of near-eastern language.
     
  6. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    well, now you know ;)

    It's all good right? :D

     
  7. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    somehow, Anakin is a variant of John. Don;t ask
     
  8. Katana_Geldar

    Katana_Geldar Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    I thought it was a variant of 'akin'

    Japanese is in SW a lot.

    Kamino = kami are some sort of spirits in Shinto
    Obi-Wan Kenobi = Obi = belt, Kenobi = sword belt
    Katana fleet = samurai sword
    Yoda = Japanese surname

    And there's Padme = padma sanskrit for lotus and other stuff.

    But as for languages, Jawas speak sped-up Zulu and we never hear anyone speak Bocce.
     
  9. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The people who acclaim Tolkien's Gollum, I've seen, don't seem to realise where he plagiarised that from. ;)

    Can anyone substantiate Rodian speech of KOTOR sounds a lot like Romanian or Hungarian?
     
  10. VIII

    VIII Jedi Knight star 2

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    Reaves uses swedish in his books..
     
  11. jawajames

    jawajames Former RSA // stawars.com contributor star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    but is there any proof that they chose these names because they had a particular meaning in Chinese (or any other language), or did they pick names that sounded good to them in some exotic sense, and they happen to match sounds that are words in Chinese. does anyone within the EU say that "your name means this"

    it's like with Kamino -- was the planet named that because "Camino" in spanish means "I walk" or "roadway" -- or is it just a coincidence in trying to sound not-English.
     
  12. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    The position that you are advocating basically means this, I think

    Now take the name Sherlock (not for any particular reason, just to illustrate my point).
    It can be said to mean fair haired.
    but whenever you read a sherlock Holmes novel, not one single character in the literature that Sherlock Holmes is a part of says something like:" Hello Sherlock, say I just found out that your name means fair haired."
    Just because someone in universe doesn't say to Qui-Gon, hey I know what your name means, doesn't mean that his name doesn't have a meaning in a particular language.

    I say Chinese is a language in the Star Wars universe. You say no. I translated character's name into meaningful Chinese phrases/words. You still say no. From this post on, I can frankly say that if this post doesn't convince you that yes, Chinese is a influential language in the Star Wars universe, then I'm afraid nothing will.

    And I'm cool with that.

    Because I know the truth :D

     
  13. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:Squibking.gif

    That symbol on his pendant looks like it comes from some real language.
     
  14. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Well what we're saying is that Chinese was an influence on the creators of the Star Wars universe, not on the GFFA itself. That is to say, while LFL people picked names that sound Asian in origin, there aren't actually any Chinese people running around in the GFFA, as it is a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. They're not speaking Chinese because China doesn't exist for them.
     
  15. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    I see your point. and I certainly agree.
    The same as there aren't any English people, or Spanish, or Romans, nor Africans, nor even Americans running around in GFFA. so you are right, there isn't any pure Chinese being spoken in the GFFA. Same as there isn't any pure English, Spanish, Latin, or Swahili, Tagalog, etc.

    Good that we can reach an understanding.

    sorry I edited my message due to spelling and such.
     
  16. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Exactly.
     
  17. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    of course, there are Roman people in the Star Trek Galaxy whov never even been to Italy, but thats why Star Trek is lamer than Star Wars

    for what its worth, this brings up a question ive often pondered. We always concentrate on Imperial specism, or sexism, but withIN the human species was the Empire racist? All Imperial officers (onscreen at least) are white men. THe only non-whites are Rebels, just as Rebels also sport women, aliens, and even a droid lieutenant.
     
  18. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And the Imperials have a droid Grand Moff: Grand Moff 4-8C. ;)
     
  19. Charlii

    Charlii Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yes, appearently Old Corellian is Swedish.


    /Charlii
     
  20. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    lol, RF, yes, but not in the movies, whereas the Rebels DO have a droid officer in the movies

    in the EU, the Imps hav non-white, female, and even-non human officers
     
  21. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    They do?
    Non-white: Not many, but then again those who exist are in very high positions.
    Female: It's explicitly stated that it's difficult for a woman to achieve rank.
    Non-human: It's explicitly stated that it's extremely difficult for a non-human to achieve rank.
     
  22. jawajames

    jawajames Former RSA // stawars.com contributor star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    except that there is the Hungarian language in the SW universe. the people on Nelvaan speak it. the difference between that and the use of chinese for character names is that the language is acutally used by characters within the SW universe.
     
  23. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    I'll concede the point that so far, in profic, despite the fact that characters have Chinese names, no one has uttered a word of Chinese in conversation.
    But that will change. [face_devil] I have foreseen it.
     
  24. Lord_Hydronium

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    I thought that the only explicit statement was that Daala believed that. After all, the head of Imperial Intelligence, one of the top spots in the Imperial bureaucracy, was a woman.
     
  25. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    But wasn't that because she rose to such prominence through her dad's patronage and the fact she was sleeping with Palpatine? And let's be honest, if anything deserves a reward it's that.
     
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