Who agrees with Count Dooku's view of the Chosen One?

I found this once in the Star Wars Role Playing Game Sourcebook under Count Dooku's character, It has his view of the Chosen One to bring Balance to the Force which makes much more Logical sense than Anakin Skywalker simply throwing Emperor Palpatine down the Reactor Shaft on the Second Death Star, here it is:

Dooku was of the opinion that the true identity of the Chosen One was a seasoned Philosopher of sharp insight, Someone with the solid character and the Intellectual clarity to see the path to Galactic Enlightenment; Someone who possessed the titanic willpower to walk such a path, and most importantly ,had the charisma and the leadership to carry other along with him, Someone who could draw upon both the Light and the Dark Sides equally to attain near perfect Balance without being tempted over to either Side, Dooku belived himself to be such a person and not some tow headed youth.

I almost have to agree with his view because Anakin is very impulsive and violent and not much of a Thinker like Obi-Wan or Yoda are, how could such a man bring Balance to the Force?Surely there is more to it than just destroying the Sith Lords by killing the last one left, the Chosen One should have been like Gandhi or Martin Luther King or some great leader that had ideals and Meditated on the nature of the Force, a person that contemplated how to bring balance through improving the Jedi Order and rooting out the corruption with Diplomacy, George Lucas's version that involves Anakin simply killing Darth Sidious to bring balance is kind of weak and uninspired, it involves the act but not much thought about why.

 

Martin Luther's "ideals" included rampant anti-semitism, by the way.

 

It might explain why 40+ years ABY and the GFFA is still pretty ****ed up.

 

It's rarely helpful to blame a guy millions hold as the founder of their faith for less-than-admirable-from-a-modern-perspective viewpoints, when they're irrelevant to the conversation, and you can't really blame him for his view considering the time period.

As for the thread topic, Dooku was wrong. We know this. What's more: Dooku was interpreting the Chosen One prophecy such that he would be the Chosen One.

 

Dooku's view is more of a "One who Chooses" idea. it's about a being to takes control of the Force, uses it for his own ends, and balances it within himself through using the "Light" and "Dark" sides equally for what he thinks is the betterment of the galaxy.... which btw sounds just like what someone else whose gotten alot of intrest on these boards of late seems to think about himself.

Anakin was the "Chosen One" of the Force. he didn't think he could balance anything, and never set out to do so. he was used by the Force to create balance instead of trying to bend it to his will (he didn't even blatantly use the Force when doing so), to keep evil from winning forever and give good at least a fighting chance, if not total victory. it was never really his plan, and certainly not his plan at the moment he did so. all he wanted to do was save his son.

and IMO that's ultimately what good Jedi do... they don't set out to end all evil forever... they just want to help whomever they can at that point as best they can. but due to the power, potential, and desires of the 3 individuals involved in that moment, helping Luke and detroying/disrupting Palpatine had far greater consequences for good than any other single act in GFFA history.

 

Uh, Matthew78 did say Martin Luther King by the way, not Martin Luther, just to clarify . . .

In terms of the question at hand, I think it's an interesting point, and though I certainly don't think Dooku or anyone like him is likely to bring "balance" either I'm not really convinced Darthakin Vadewalker really accomplished the task. I do, on the other hand, think Star Wars is heavy with fate and do not necessarily think the players in the story need to be morally sound or even aware of their roles, in order to accomplish them. Vadeakin plays his part in changing the galaxy unwittingly, he accomplishes his part of the "balance bringing," whatever that may mean, without any planning, or even any true insight into his role. He is, as it were, a pawn of the force.

Edit: If what I'm saying is correct, it does prove, interestingly, that the Dark Side view is wrong. Ultimately, you cannot control, or even truly wield the force. Ultimately it plays you like an instrument. You fulfill its purposes whether you know it or not. In this way, the force can be interpreted as truly having a "will" as it were. It really does remind me a lot of my understanding of how evangelical Christians that I know see their roles as earthly vessels for the Christian God's will.

Edit 2: I see now, having not initially read his/her post, that saber_death actually in a different way made a lot of the same points I have. I appreciate your insights, saber!

 

I don't really think Dooku's opinion of an ideal Chosen One should really matter that much. This is the guy who didn't realize he was being backstabbed until he had two lightsabers at his throat. Not to mention how much ego is involved. Dooku's vision of the Chosen One just so happens to be almost exactly like himself, so if it weren't for Dooku knowing he isn't the most powerful Force user in the galaxy (with Sidious and Yoda at the very least both being more powerful than him), he'd probably think he would be the Chosen One.

Dooku thought the Chosen One should be a perfect, intelligent gentlemen like himself, but a gentlemen isn't really going to change the galaxy. Action is required, and Anakin throwing Palpatine into the reactor counts as active. It took several decades longer than most people thought it would, but Anakin did fulfill his destiny.

Also, I think Dooku was a little jealous of Anakin a good deal of the time. During the Clone Wars, Anakin was the Jedi's golden boy, whereas Dooku used to be the golden boy of the Jedi. Also, Dooku possibly does sincerely wish Obi-wan would join him, as Obi-wan was the last Padawan trained by Dooku's old student Qui-gon, and instead Obi-wan stays with the Republic and the Jedi, which also means he's staying with Anakin. During Dark Rendezvous I think this was most obvious when Yoda confronted Dooku at the end, and Yoda almost has Dooku convinced until he sees Anakin and Obi-wan storming through his defenses, then he loses all faith in Yoda again. This also ties into how much Dooku looks down on Anakin for being such an "uncivilized brute" in Dooku's opinion.

Of course, when push comes to shove and the two end up dueling on the Invisible Hand, Anakin wins, and Dooku just ends up being yet another victim of Anakin's long, hard fall into the dark.

 

Martin Luther was antisemitic? Pffft, just about all the lords of acclaim are. Five thousand years of history, and not one alien invasion! No one wants us; we made non-males starve themselves to vote elections, only a short century ago. We're an embarrassment in the galactic community.

The man of Dooku's immature name was a blind hypocrite. He murdered millions and called himself stalwart philosopher, eh? I'd have done it for a fraction of the annual wage.

 

I think the "Chosen One" would culminate in action, not in leadership or philosophy or teaching.

the Chosen One was brought about for a single purpose...and turning that into some long term utopian theocracy of force harmony led by some enlightened leader would be contrary to the will of the force as well.

The force has no mouthpiece...I think this is another reason for the humbling of the jedi, who considered themselves it's mouthpiece. The force needs no agenda...it acts.

 

Yeah, I find it hard to take him seriously when he believed HE was the Chosen One.

 

What was Dooku about anyway?

His Bio at Wookiepedia Said he sliped from the Order to hunt for Sidious ine some comic book, and then he was all gray bearded and cackling? Guydidnt make much sense.

 

Dooku is hard because he obviously is a deep, educated, and well thought man, and yet he is portrayed to us in the shallowest and most basic of characteristics for the sake of speed in the film progression.

As result, almost all of what we know of him comes from the books, which have varied from souless toady to philosopher extraordinary to aging aristocratic brat, to wizard (ah, Clone Wars...)

What he's all about? He's about a lot...

I've come to view him as a darkside version of Thomas Jefferson...too smart for his own good, a renaissance man of multiple ambitions and tremendous ego...and if not for one idea, could've been a tremendous hero...but instead a terrible villain.

 

Think about Anakin asa thinking man.

Anakin's view was "Someone should decide what's best for everyone and implement it" but had absolutely no real desire to do it himself. Dooku's view was identical but couldn't imagine anyone else doing it.

Difference between wanting to enforce implementation and wanting to control implementation.

 

superiority vs. inferiority complexes.

ha! Palpatine might have been best off with Maul afterall.

 

Seriously. I don't think Maul thought at all.

 

Why didn't we see it before? The Mayor of Sernpidal is the Chosen One!

 

It would really depend upon the necessary action. I mean, if we look at the Christian portrayal of Jesus... his first coming is to teach, the second is with a sword in hand. Similar conception in Islamic eschatology, Jesus comes around the first time as a Messenger and Warner and teaches people. Second time around he's coming to kill the anti-Christ.

It's interesting the parallels in SW to the Islamic end times scenario. Especially the Shi'ite end times scenario. Imam Mahdi has been in hiding for years, returns and leads the righteous in a battle against the forces of the anti-Christ/Imposter Messiah and when the final confrontation with the anti-Christ/Imposter Messiah comes then Jesus returns to slay him. Subsequently filling the world with justice and peace. There's even supposed to be a mopping up action to pacify the remainder of the Imposter's forces. Sound familiar?

 

That due to lack of will in delrey, They decided to do a prequal redux cash in rather than actualy try to commit to a non-movie hero.

 

Either that or they thought ruining every previous Jedi hero and making the Sith/Jedi conflict into nothing was stupid?

 

The most interesting, most thought-provoking, most reinvigorating change to be introduced to the Star Wars universe in living memory was hardly "stupid." Del Rey just lacked the will and the courage to stay the course. Throwing out the most interesting development of the NJO and the philosophical triumph of the EU is pretty much why I stopped reading.


As for Dooku's take on things: Given how little we know about the prophecy, all the ambiguities that surround prophecy, and all that, I think it's really hard to say that the Chosen One was more in line with what Dooku said than with Anakin, who appears to be the Chosen One. That said: I absolutely believe the kind of figure Dooku's talking about would be more interesting, more valuable, and more revolutionary than the Anakin-style Chosen One, and I would support that sort of figure over the Anakin-style Chosen One in a heartbeat. One of the things I hate about the way the prequels were handled is that Dooku was given such short shrift. While he made major missteps and went wrong in important ways, there is a lot I think Dooku was probably right about, and he simply didn't get anything like the treatment he deserved.

-Paul

 

Thats utter bull crap. Jacen didnt ruin every other Jedi hero, just showed a diffrent one. And yes Jedi/sith is stupid if thats all you got. Even the federation had to take a brake from the romulans.
Im sorry that you feel NJO ruined Luke, but this aint the comic books where cyclops stops ageing ant theirty though he's techinicly in his 50's.

By the way Along time a go there was this thug of a character. He was pretty 2 dimentional, all he did was beat up badguys and acted real surly.

Well see at Marvel this one writer decided I can take a chance on this chracter. So this Writer wrote wote out a story. About a man who had his entire life taken awayfrom him. Who's and deepdown wanted to conferm his humanity. And to prove to himself that he was not an animal, to find out about his past, and hopefuly rebuild his life. this Chracter's name was Wolverine, he went from a replacement addon charcater from Claremonts run to a Iconic anti-hero.

Why? because some one said...lets give this 2 dimentional thug a chance and spin a story on him. To bad delray didnt have the same courage as a 2 bit no-one-takes-seriously comic book publisher.

 

It's been said, but bears repeating: The main problem with the credibility of Dooku's concept of the Chosen One is that it just coincidentally matches up perfectly with Dooku's opinion of himself.

 

I think that was Dooky's way of painting himself as the Chosen One, frankly...

 

Because the first time someone does it successfully, fans of other "fallen" heroes will be at the rails demanding to know why "this guy" could do it and their hero could not.

Arrogance is the true path to the darkside....all the sayings and slogans are nice, but in the end, a person tends to make an arrogant presumption that "they" will control the darkside as none before them have.

Similarly the Jedi arrogance that had contained darkside or eliminated the Sith brought them low.

All experiences with the darkside are arrogant...even students who humble themselves before it. the only way to avoid it's corruption is to deny it where possible and fight it when neccessary.