Who is the baddest Dark Lord of the Sith?

>>Exar Kun vs. Darth Maul in a lightsaber contest, I'd like to see that. 2 double bladed lightsabers battling it out, that'd be the duel to end all duels<<

Oh, yes, definitely. Though I think we should factor in Azrakel and Lord Nyax, just to make it interesting.

Valiento, this Darth Revan from KOTOR, is he different from my Darth Rivan, or has one of us spelled his name incorrectly?

 

Yes, Darth Revan is different from Darh Rivan (oddly enough). A few writers/developers out here need my copy of The Complete Dictionary of Names for Boys and Girls.

 

Darth Rivan died during the battle of ruusan, 1000 years before battle of yavin, and is a WOTC creation.

Darth Revan, died just under 4000 years before the battle of yavin, and is a Lucasarts creation.

 

Dooku and Maul were never Dark Lords of the Sith, they were both Sith Apprentices.

The reason Vader was a Dark Lord was because by that time Palpatine had moved up to a higher rank as Emporer of the Galaxy. So therefore while Vader was the Dark Lord of the Sith, Palpy was still his master.

 

"Dooku and Maul were never Dark Lords of the Sith, they were both Sith Apprentices."

Actually according to novels, and WOTC sourcebooks, and other sources, both Dooku and Maul, are what is known as "Dark Lord of the Sith, Apprentice". While Sidious is what is known as "Dark Lord of the Sith, Master".

Both are Dark Lords of the Sith, but one is always the master, the other the apprentice, according to the books. This had to do with how a Rogue Jedi changed the system from that of the TOTJ era way of doing thingsm to a systme with multiple DLOTS. The first change occured when the Rogue Jedi of 2000 BBY, created his sith cult according to TPM novel and other sources, where you could have any number of "Dark Lords of the Sith". Kaan kept that idea in his brotherhood of darkness, there was few real DLOTS, including Kaan, and Bane, but many others were lesser sith types. Bane when he took over decided to make it only 2 DLOTS at any one time, one master, one apprentice.

 

Its been mentioned for those advocating Kun and Palpatine that bringing down established orders like the Jedi and the Republic are important factors. what about Darth Bane and his 'mind bomb' (if memory serves me correctly). He was willing to destroy both the Jedi and the Sith for his own gain.

 

That was Lord Kaan, that had the Thought Bomb actually. Bane was the only one to escape it's effects.

 

>>Yes, Darth Revan is different from Darh Rivan (oddly enough). A few writers/developers out here need my copy of The Complete Dictionary of Names for Boys and Girls.

Darth Rivan died during the battle of ruusan, 1000 years before battle of yavin, and is a WOTC creation.

Darth Revan, died just under 4000 years before the battle of yavin, and is a Lucasarts creation.<<

Thanks.

By the way, I suppose Carnor Jax and Flint would count as Sith Lords, since they were Lumiya's apprentices, yes?

If so, I must update my list:

Carnor Jax
Darovit
Darth Bane
Darth Malak
Darth Maul
Darth Revan
Darth Rivan
Darth Sidious
Darth Tyranus
Darth Vader
Exar Kun
Flint
Freedon Nadd
Githany
Kaan
Ludo Kressh
Lumiya
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Qordis
Ulic Qel-Droma
Zannah

And, while I'm at it, I might as well stick on the votes:

Darth Sidious/Palpatine: 16
Exar Kun: 4
Darth Bane: 2
Darth Tyranus/Dooku: 1
Ulic Qel-Droma: 1
Zannah/Rain: 1

 

Yes, according to gamer #5 she was following the same rules as Bane had followed and taking on a DLOTS apprentice. When she lost one she took on another.

 

Worst Sith? All Sith are bad, because they all use the Dark Side to kill innocent, sentient beings to further their own power.

Exar Kun.

 

I don't think he meant it like that. He meant, "Who is the baddest ass Dark Lord of the Sith?" Like who could beat down on everyone else.

 

great - just great...i'm the only one that sees vader as number one!!!

in my opinion vader went the furthest in the shortest amount of time. he trained to be jedi at a late age and then turned around to be sith despite becoming a cyborg. in my book that requires an extreme mastery of the force.

by the time we meet palpatine he already has oodles of years under his belt. but i doubt that he(or anyone else) had acheived as much in as short a time as vader did.

who's the baddest lord of the sith? VADER IS!!!

"i find your lack of faith disturbing"

 

Darth Revan and Malak

Darth Rivan

 

EXAR KUN!!!

I think he is the coolest sith characters. The way he "kills" Luke with the sith powers is great. Luke is out of chance. Your argument for Palpatine is: he kills the jedi.
It's not Palpatine who kills the jedi but his jedihunters.
Kun on the other hand is able to defend him self against houndreds of Jedimasters and the repuplics fleet. It's possible that they destroy his body, but they weren't strong enough to kill him.

I will have to admit that Palpatine is a very cool character but Kun is just cooler!

 

More Rivan info which actually dates him to have died during the battle of Ruusan.

"Darth Rivan died alongside many other Sith at the Battle of Ruusan, the climax of the Sith War."

Last bit of info about Rivan can be found here.

Another two important Sith that need to be listed, is TPM's mention of an un-named Rogue Jedi, who created a sith group 2000 BBY, and Kaan's group came out of.

Also of note is TPM's mention of "Bane's Male Apprentice" un-named, that he found after his years of study. This apprentice was the one that passed on the sith legacy. We learn that bane's years of study was on Dxun while absorbing a darkside well there, in Dark Side Sourcebook, and Secrets of the Sith. He had to find this apprentice because he had lost Rain somewhere between Ruusan, his direct flight to Dxun, or his crash there. Who knows what happened to her, did he kill her? Did she run away from him while on Ruusan? Did she die in the crash? Hopefully someone will clear it up for us later. Anywho this un-named male apprentice was, "found on Onderon" according to various sources..

 

Just so you can all understand the complete awsomess (is that a word?) of Exar Kun heres a site with a good deal of facts

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/5147/exarinfo.htm

As for that post that powerranger had about Vader progressing the fastest in shortest time, with that one I think that I'll have to give it to Palpatine. I mean cmon he started REALLY late lol. So even though Exar is the best I'll give that one to Palpatine.

 

palpatine(like maul) had a lifetime to develop his abilities as sith lord - vader did not. assuming you take the rule of two seriously

 

I see where you're coming from, poweranger. I agree that Vader went the furthest in the shortest amount of time. Had he lived longer, he probably would have eventually surpassed Palpatine in raw Force power. But, alas, he never got there. Close, though.

>>assuming you take the rule of two seriously<<

*gasp* Are you implying there is a reason not to?

 

Well, he *was* able to defeat Palpatine, no? And Vader/Anakin was an extremely talented combat pilot as well

But Palpy gets my vote. Sure, a lot of people can sling a saber pretty well, but Palpatine's something like an evil super-genius.

-Tim

 

My votes for the coolest EU charcater..period- EXAR KUN.

To get the full story on him you have to read how he descended to the Darkside and nearly conquered the known galaxy in the Tales Of The Jedi series set 5,000 years prior to the Films. The Jedi Academy Trilogy and I, Jedi don't even come close to showing how awesome he is.

 

Exar Kun? Pathetic individual. Jedi beat him, he runs away to forest moon, builds pyramids, gets killed. Spirit lingers for x thousand years in temple, finally discovered, kills one or two quasi-padawns, then meets his final destruction.

Heh. Sad, really. After all those millenia, he finally gets a crack at some ''Jedi'', & he last how long? Laughable.

 

Has anyone ever heard of a Sith called Darth Imperious? I don't think he's real, but someone over in the Classic Trilogy forum said that he trained Palpatine, and I was wondering if there's any truth to it. Thanks.

 

fanfic nothing more.

 

Thought so. Thanks, Val.

 

Okay, so back in the days of the original Sith Empire, only the ruler of the Empire was allowed to use the title Dark Lord of the Sith. The other lords were simply Lords of the Sith, or Sith Lords for short. Long after the original Sith became extinct, in the last days of the third Sith order, Lord Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness granted every Sith and his Ewok the title Dark Lord of the Sith. Lord Kaan did this to placate his followers because he was losing the war with the Jedi. Only after Lord Kaan's death did Darth Bane take over to reform the Order. Now, here's the question I have that doesn't really belong in this thread but it's not worthy of having its own. In Darth Bane's Sith Order, how does the title Dark Lord of the Sith work? Do both the master and apprentice hold the title, or is it only one of them?

Now I'll just stick this question onto the end, since it's something I've been wondering for a while. Is there a Sith level between apprentice and master, like the Jedi have Knight? No, I never tire of asking about the Sith.