Who is the most powerful jedi of all time?

Hey about the Anakin thing. I did give evidence, look earlier in the thread. You will find my proof there.

 

*sighs* mace windu is not one of the most powerful jedi. he was actually rather midranged, he however had an ability that made him more capable then most. if you've ever read shatterpoint you know what that is. combine that with his saber skills and he was hard to stop. but he wasn't one of the most powerful by any means. he couldn't lift much, and there were a lot of other things he couldn't do.

 

Yoda

 

Revan was very strong in the force and had immense knowledge of Dark Side powers. He also knew "Force Storm" and "Thought Bomb".

His largest display of power was when he used "Force Storm" on a Rakatan army in Lehon planet and he killed a large number of Rakatan enemies with this force power in a single attack. This event is clearly mentioned in KOTOR game.

The problem is that Revan's full potentail is not fully known yet so it is very difficult to discuss about his true potentail but we still should be open-minded.

Now about most powerful Jedi!

Regarding Anakin!

he had got the potentail to become the most powerful Jedi but he never managed to achieve this because he was easily manipulated by Darth Sidious to join the Dark Side and during confrontation with Obi-Wan, he lost the fight and thus was restricted to wear a Cyborg Armour forever for survival, which actually did limited his true potential to become the most powerful Jedi or Sith.

This fact should be recognized because Vader cannot perform all kinds of force powers while wearing this Cyborg Suit. One such example is of "Storm Lightening", which has been openly used by many Sith Lords before Vader to gain advantage over Jedi opponents but Vader could never use this force power to over-power his enemies because his suit was vulnerable to it.

This is confirmed when "Vader" lifts "Darth Sidious" (while "Darth Sidious" is using Force Lightening on "Luke") and throws him down the pit, he actually weakens himself considerably and thus eventually succumbs to the damage he suffers by exposing him to this force power, so he his indeed vulnerable to defeat if any potential enemy could directly use this force power against him in a one-on-one fight.

Thus, we can conclude that Anakin was the chosen one (and had got the potential) but never actually became the most powerful Jedi. And same is the case with him when he becomes a Sith (Darth Vader), because Vader lost fight to Obi-Wan and had to wear a Cyborg Suit and he could never become the most powerful Sith Lord due to limitations added to him due to his Cyborg Suit.

Infact, I think that Anakin cannot be even placed in Top 10 Jedi List.

The best possible candidates for most powerful Jedi are:

- Luke Skywalker
- Yoda
- Revan (possibly - after he is redeemed)

Some ancient Jedi have also known to be very powerful but we have very less knowledge about them so we can't be truly sure that who is actually the most powerful Jedi.

 

Are you referring to this?

Guys, whoa!!! You are making this way too complicated. It is very easy to see that Anakin is the most powerfu Jedi ever. Or Sith for that matter.

Dude, way too complicated. Just deal with it, you know deep down inside that this, this is true.

Do not deny it, resistance is futile.


If so, that is not evidence. That is the desperate plea of a fanboy who is fighting a losing battle, and knows it. Figuring out who the most powerful Jedi is requires evidence to be examined. So far, all the evidence points to Luke Skywalker. There is no evidence posted in this thread that points to Anakin as the most powerful; several claims, yes, but no evidence to support it.

 

Hello everyone,
Alright most powerfull jedi of all time I think Jacen when he fully opened himself up to the force at the end of the vong war. Not to mention he and Luke are almost even as it is but Luke won't step over some boundries where Jacen will open himself up to any form of the force.

If you ment which jedi who lived by the jedi code I think it would be either Luke or Yoda. I say Luke because he had very little training and became Grand Master in a very short period plus he reformed and trained the new jedi order. He also defeated Vader and later the emporor something even Yoda couldn't do.
I give Yoda his Kuddles because he remainded on the path of light for over 900 years and if he fall at one point in time I don't know of it but that would be very hard to do.
So it's a very tough call in the end how knows maybe even Anakin would have been if the Councel would have payed more attention and helped him in his time of need instead of abanding him. He was stronger then most of the master's and he had lest training. Also Obi-wan had just became a jedi knight when he took Anakain as a padawan which was uncommon. Anakin also had a great potetial in the force but since they went into a constint war Anakain did really did not get the jedi training he needed. He did manage to do things like crash land a destroyed ship that no one should have been able to do Eposiode III book. He could was equals to obi-wan but took to huge of a gamble which resulted in his defeat. But since star wars histroy was already been told how it is he may be in the top five but not number one.
I'd say Jacen and Luke as a tie followed by Yoda and Raven.

 

I don't see any good proof. Anakin killing the Emperor means absolutely nothing, he stabbed his master in the back and threw him down a shaft, that has nothing to do with power. Also, the fact that Anakin was made up of medichlorians means nothing as well, all the other Jedi were also made up of them too.

 

About the midi-chlorians. His whole body was a giant midi-chlorians. Yoda's body was not even half, bet you didn't know that one.

 

Did Supershadow tell you that?

 

Beat me to it.

 

Anakin had many midichlorians in him; a higher count than Yoda.
1.) That means nothing; midichlorians allow you access to the Force. They do not determine how strong you are, or can be.
2.) So Anakin had more than Yoda. That's old news; discovered long before the likes of Luke Skywalker, Kyp Durron, or Jacen Solo were even born. So it's irrelevant.
Consider what Qui-Gon said: "No Jedi has (had that many midichlorians)." Meaning, no Jedi previously recorded. Luke was not previously, nor ever, recorded. Neither has Jacen, or Kyp, or anyone of the new Jedi Order. So Anakin's midichlorian count has no bearing in this argument, and is therefore null and void.

Oh, and Supershadow exists to mock fans who actually know something by spreading false information. Bet you didn't know that one.



Revan was very strong in the force and had immense knowledge of Dark Side powers. He also knew "Force Storm" and "Thought Bomb".

His largest display of power was when he used "Force Storm" on a Rakatan army in Lehon planet and he killed a large number of Rakatan enemies with this force power in a single attack. This event is clearly mentioned in KOTOR game.

The problem is that Revan's full potentail is not fully known yet so it is very difficult to discuss about his true potentail but we still should be open-minded.

My apologies, I had not seen your response.
Are we thinking of the same Force Storm, here? Force Storm from Dark Empire or Force Storm from KOTOR? Because KOTOR's Force Storm was nothing but an advanced form of Force Lightning, which really wasn't all that difficult to perform.
I do not recall Revan's ability to use Thought Bomb. It has been a while since I played the game itself, I'll admit, but I dont remember anything being said about Thought Bomb.

 

1. Anakin Skywalker-Chosen One
2. Jacen Solo-Became One with the Force without dying. You don't get farther than that.
3. Yoda and Vergere
4. Qui and Obi
5. Luke and Leia (raw power only)
6. Jaina and Anakin
7. Tenel Ka
8. Allana and Ben

 

Revan didn't use Force Storm like the emperor did. But that doesn't mean he isn't as powerful. Anakin was not the strongest Jedi, I pretty sure even Mace could take him in a fair fight, though I have no evidence to support that. Yea maybe later when I have time.

Luke was probably the most powerful Jedi in the Saga, by that I mean out of the Jedi in the saga at their peak and at Lukes peak(not in the saga) he was probably more powerful...did that make sense.

 

"Force Storm" in the game is degraded due to unknown reasons but if you go as DS character, then "Force Storm" power becomes more effective.

Anyways! the event that I mentioned about Revan using his "Force Storm" over Rekatans was narrated by "The One" in the game once you meet him and "The One" was a leader of one of the factions of Rakatans in Lehon planet (unknown world at that time), so he was not lying.

If you listen to the dialog carefully then you will understand that how much powerful "Force Storm" Darth Revan could perform when he was a Sith.

According to the narrations of "The One", Darth Revan's force storm was like a Thunder Storm in which multiple lightening Strikes could occur at the same time and strike the enemies at once, killing them instantly.

Revan also knew "Though Bomb" but never used it because "Though Bomb" is a very risky technique to kill the enemies but it is the most devastating Dark Side Power known yet.

This information was revealed in the novel "Darth Bane: Path of Destruction". Darth Bane learned this technique from a holocron of Darth Revan.

 

I believe it was degraded in the game due to the fact that using a full-on Force Storm would be too powerful; you could use it to instantly devour the enemies coming at you. There'd be no challenge in the game, so they were forced (no pun intended) to power it down.

I took the accounts of The One with skepticism; the Rakatans, by that time, had become a pretty primitive race, and as such, were more prone to exaggeration; what appeared like lighting to them could have been turbolaser strikes. Also, stories tend to get bigger as they're passed along; the account could be exaggerated, or they could be true. Im a skeptic at this point.
Path of Destruction, eh? I have yet to read it; it's a recent book, though. Before that, there was no reason to believe that Revan was a powerhouse in the Force (despite every character in the game saying "Oh, you're powerful!").

 

You made a good point here!

Rakatans were not that primitive even in the game. They were smart but years of civil war almost destroyed them.

The faction of "Elders" still had a vast knowledge of their past but the faction of "The One" seemed to be primitive because of their mythical approach to things but they too were not as much idiots as they seemed to be because they could understand things well!

"The One" himself witnessed the Force Storm demonstrated by Darth Revan and was convinced enough by his power to accept his demands so he had no reason to lie at that point when he meets Revan again.

Anyways! what we can conclude from this is that Revan was indeed a very capable force user as well.

Do read this book! It is very interesting read!

And in the game, you actually get hints about your PAST but Revan slowly starts to remember all the knowledge about his PAST due to his great wisdom and "ever knowledge seeking" personality.

So he becomes very powerful once again but sadly his character is not fully developed yet.

 

People still debate this nonsense? Luke is the most powerful by far, not really a debate here except maybe between him and Jacen, the two of them being leagues beyond anyone else including Sidious and Yoda.

 

Yeah Darth Revan did know the ritual to the thought bomb but didn't dear us it due to the fact it consumes all force sensitive beings with in it's radius. Also again I say Jacen and Luke are tied for now for most powerfull jedi since as time goes on the knowleadge of the force has grown and even though Anikan had a high count it really doesn't mean anything other then the fact he had great potetial but he NEVER reached that potential. Also we all know Luke was more powerfull then Vader in the end.

 

You should check my very first post in this thread in which I have mentioned my views on Anakin.

I clearly said that Anakin was blessed with a gifted potential to become the most powerful Jedi but he did not. I hardly consider him even in the TOP 10 list.

The case of Luke is different however.

And i also mentioned that "Though Bomb" is a suicidal technique so this would be the reason that Revan never actually used it.

Also, it is hard to believe that Jacen becomes more powerful then Yoda (who had over 800 years of experience in Jedi Arts). This sounds more like a speculation until George Lucas himself confirms this.

 

I think we need an official Who is the most powerful Jedi (or even most powerful Force-sensitive) ever thread.

 

It still wouldn't stop these threads popping up every couple of months though.

 

Maybe, I still think it would be useful though.

 

Actually, a Jedi discussion thread already exists; by all accounts, this topic should have been posted in there instead of being a different thread.

 

Could you by any chance provide a link to the thread? WHat is the specific topic of this thread, is it similar to this one?

 

The Jedi Temple is the place to discuss Jedi-related issues. Unfortunately, at the moment, it's in the process of reorganizing the leadership, so Jedi topics aren't really being focused on. But soon, everything will be resolved, and we'll get back to discussion stuff

There is also the New Sith Order, which is focused on the Sith, and the Grey Avengers, which is focused on Grey Jedi.