Who was Teneniel Djos Mother?

Can someone tell me Teneniels mothers name please? someone around here has to know it.

 

I believe it was Augwyne Djo, I may be wrong, though...

EDIT: My mistake, Augnwyne is her Grandmother, her mother is Allaya Djo...

 

.....her mother is Allaya Djo...
Really!? I don't remember them ever telling us.

 

yep, its in CoPL

 

If it came from a printed official source, then it's an official name. Allaya has definitely been printed in several sources, including COPL.

 

thanks

 

No. Allya was the Jedi who was banished to Dathomir. She's the one who "started" the witches of Dathomir.

Teneniel Djo's mother was Kara Teel, the youngest daughter of Augwynne Djo and youngest sister of Gethzerion.

 

"Part of the singing mountain clan, Teneniel is the daughter of allaya Djo, who led the clan until her deather, after which her mother Augwynne Djo took controle"-EGTC.

"Her mother, allaya djo, led the clan unti her death"-under tennial djo's entry in GUIDE to starwars 3rd edition.

"Tenenial Djo, is the daughter of allaya djo, who led the clan until her death in the desert."-official star wars encyclopedia

 

Allya and Allaya are different names.

 

"No. Allya was the Jedi who was banished to Dathomir. She's the one who "started" the witches of Dathomir.

Teneniel Djo's mother was Kara Teel, the youngest daughter of Augwynne Djo and youngest sister of Gethzerion"

Correct. Augwynee Djo had three daughters, Kara Teel, Gethzerion, and Barukka. Kara Teel was killed when Gethzerion attempted to kill their mother and instead accidently killed her younger sister. Gethzerion fled with the witch Baritha and later formed the Nightsister clan that occupied the Imperial Base on Dathomir.

Barukka set out to save her sister from herself but was instead seduced with by the dark spells herself. After battling within her soul, Barukka managed to break away from the Nightsisters and go into her own self imposed exile. This is the old witch that Luke and Co. meet in the cave.

 

Again:

"Part of the singing mountain clan, Teneniel is the daughter of allaya Djo, who led the clan until her death, after which her mother Augwynne Djo took controle"-EGTC.

"Her mother, allaya djo, led the clan unti her death"-under tennial djo's entry in GUIDE to starwars 3rd edition.

"Tenenial Djo, is the daughter of allaya djo, who led the clan until her death in the desert."-official star wars encyclopedia

 

"Kara Teel is Teneniel's mother" - Dave Wolverton.

Look, I worked with Dave Wolverton. That is her name. Anything else that was put up there is wrong, a mistake that was later copied but authors who didn't check their facts.

"The younger brother of Biggs Darklighter, a Rebel hero, Gavin began his career ..." NJO Sourcebook.

Just because its printed doesn't always mean its correct.

Here's a quote:

"When the boulders began to fall from the mountain heights, it was her sister Kara'Teel, not Augwynne, who paid the price" -Craken's Threat Dossier, 1997.

The sister, of course, is speaking of Gethzerion. You can keep quoting those sources but you're still wrong.

 

Also, Augwynne was always clan leader, thats why Gethzerion wanted to kill her so she could take over the clan. Kara'Teel was war leader (there is a differece). After her death, the job fell to the witch Tannath who was roughly the same age as Augwynne. Tannath had repeatedly demanded that Gethzerion be put to death for her crime but Augwynne could not bear to loose another child.

This is why Augwynne and Tannath have a heated discussion in CoPL, and why Augwynne snaps at her for bringing up "old decisions."

 

Excuse, me, but that's not how LFL's canon policy works. Just because an author says something to you(please spare us your appeal to authority fallacy), if it wasn't written down wolverton lost his chance to have his official say so. Later expanded universe material, by other people, as it is an expanding universe other authors have a say so if something wasn't clarified within the work.

So, PPPOR, on which page in COPL it says that Kara'Teel is Tenial Mother? Is there a place in COPL that gives exact name of tenial's mother?

If it doesn't exist in the novel, then that means authorized printed material takes precedence over an author's oppinion on the matter. Just look at the amount of oppinions zahn has had, and has lost because he didn't clarify his meanings to well, and others expanded the EU from his quotes(take the many hands of emperor for instance). From sources I've read It seems this allaya djo which is, the written in mother of tenial, is said to have died when tenial was young, before the events in the story.

So prove to me with direct quotes from COPL or other offical printed material, that we might have a continuity issue on our hands. Let's discuss that. Do not come up with some weak appeal to authority that you so conveniently decided to use, because it means nothing, and alot of people could say they were somebody else but be lieing, so it really doesn't mean much.

We want hard written facts not, lostworld material.

 

Okay, what part of this statement did you not read:

Here's a quote:

"When the boulders began to fall from the mountain heights, it was her sister Kara'Teel, not Augwynne, who paid the price" -Craken's Threat Dossier, 1997.


That was published, with Lucasfilm approval back in 1997 by West End Games (page 31). It was printed, therefore published. QUOTES by God.

My point in quoting the NJO Sourcebook was to show that later printed material did not, in fact, counter previously printed material. No matter what the printed material says, Gavin was Biggs's COUSIN, not his BROTHER. The same is true here.

Dave did not loose his chance, It Was Printed. If others don't do their homework, that is not the fault of the original author, nor does repeat printing of the same idea give it extra validity.

And, I believe, 1997 is a prior publishing date to the sources you quoted. So who's wrong?

 

"When the boulders began to fall from the mountain heights, it was her sister Kara'Teel, not Augwynne, who paid the price" -Craken's Threat Dossier, 1997.


No where in that quote does it say something like, "Kara Teel, was tenianal's mother". What you infact used was a red herring that doesn't even apply to the topic at hand. Try again.

 

I believe I found why there's a misconception.

On page 147 (Hardcover edition) of CoPL, there's this sentence describing Teneniel.

She held his jaw and shouted triumphantly, "I am Teneniel Djo, a daughter of Allya, and you are my slave!"

In this quote, she's apparently referencing the original Allya, NOT Allaya. They all consider themselves to be a "daughter of Allya".

If she were actually the daughter of Allaya (assuming a misprint), it would most likely read: "I am Teneniel Djo, daughter of Allaya"


edit: heehee JediAlly, beat you by 3 seconds

 

Think about it this way, Augwynne Djo, Teneniel Djo, Tenel Ka, and Kirana Ti are all "daughters of Allya", in the sense that they're all descendants of the exiled Jedi Allya.

Edit: Goreld, that's my point exactly.

 

Interesting considering that sources I have read seperate allaya, and allya into two different people.

 

Here's some more support for the "daughters of Allya" thing.

On page 171:

It's not as if I were going to make you do anything bad. The daughters of Allya have always hunted for mates this way."

Luke sighed, as if exasperated. "Do all of the daughters of Allya do this, or just some of them?"

 

Okay, lets try this again.

"Luke poijted to the stone fortress built into the side of a cliff wall that rose high above the valley floor 'Does Augwynne Djo still rule here?"

"Yes. My great-grandmother."

"Good. We'll go directly to her then"

Luke Skywalker and Tenel Ka, YJK Shadow Acadamy (101-102)


And another:

"Gethzerion was the second child born to Augwynne, the reigning leader of Singing Mountain Clan. Her older sister Baruka openly adored her younger sister. Likewise Kara'Teel, the youngest, looked up to her. Of the three sisters, Gethzerion was by far the most powerful of the siblings; she could even cast some spells silently - something only their mother and Clan Protector Tannith could do."

Cracken's Threat Dossier page 31.

Now, if Tenel Ka is Augwynne Djo's great grand daughter and Augwynne only had three daughters ...

 

It would seem that other authors interpreted that kara'teel was the youngest daughter alive up to that point.

 

Not really. Other author's basically did what people do. They misread the book. You were good to point out that there is two different speelings "allaya" and there is "allya." The reason for this is laziness.

Lets take another example from CoPL.

The character, Threkin Horm, was a fat politician who looses his power in the book.

In Jedi Academy Trilogy, there is Hrekin Thorm, a fat senator from Fedalle who's description is identical to the other character.

See ... the letters were just reversed. When the editors got a hold of Anderson's manuscript, they realized that Horm could not be that senator because he'd lost his power base. But instead of making Anderson do a rewrite, they just switched the first letter of each name. Walaa, instant character.

The same is true with the allaya solution. Some editor came across the Daughers of allya quote, said oopps, and instead of going to rewrite, just added a letter. And it has been a mistake ever since.

The amount of Star Wars cannon for the EU is incredibly huge and editors come and go. The editor who let that mistake in simply did not dive deep enough into Lucasfilm approved sources and came up with a half-baked solution that created the least amount of brain work.

 

It may have started out as a mistake, but we now have three sources that directly state that her mother's name was Allaya, and one that incorperates the orginal name, but does not directly state the mother's name. One has to take all the sources into account. I would say that Val's correct here. Either that, or one of them is her middle name, or perhaps a childhood nickname.

BTW, is there anyone else here who would like to see Wolverton come back to SW? Maybe he could write a novel about the Chun'thor's crash on Dathomir, or a JQ SE.

TC

 

Okay, like I said before, just because its printed someplace does not make it right and just because that thought is reprinted several times also does not make it right.

Here's another quote but if you were not inclined to go with the others I posted I'm not sure it will change your mind.

"During her tenure as Clan Mother of Singing Mountain, Augwynne has experienced the loss of all three of her daughters." - Cracken's threat dossier, page 26.

ALL three at the time of CoPL means that Augwynne had no more children. She was too old to have children after CoPL and besides, Teneniel was already alive. So we are back to our selection of the three, Gethzerion, Baruka, and Kara'Teel.

Your solution of a middle name is fine, I guess, in hind sight as a continuity fix to make the two work, but in terms of a published source, WEG has the other sources beat by quite a few years.