ST Who's The Baddie?

Yes, because Dooku was benevolent. He had no ulterior motive for telling Obi-Wan the 'truth'. He only had the best interests for all involved.

Tyrannus, the only other Sith in the movies to exhibit force lightening.


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Look what you started LunarMoth. You should be ashamed!

 

Maybe there should be a spin off movie all about the Sith. Think that would work?

 

Yes, and like LunarMoth's intentions are benevolent. He might be the greatest Sith Lord ever known on the Forums, without the title of Darth.


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It's a good catch on your part. I wonder if Lucas also envisioned the Sith plan this way? It makes sense to me because the main reason for the Rule was so the Sith could last long enough and gain enough power to destroy the Jedi and take over the Republic. With those goals fulfilled, the Sith might feel the new goal is now the proliferation of the Sith, in as many iterations as possible. Masters, apprentices, adepts, assassins, Hands, Inquisitors, warriors. Then the strong can rule the GFFA and in-fighting will be seen as the natural state of things rather than a weakness that allows the Sith's enemies to defeat them.

Also: it is ironic that many mock Anakin for trusting Palpatine so easily when some think we should believe his story about Plagueis.

 

That's a noteworthy assessment. If the Sith goal changes following the fulfillment of the Grand Plan I could easily see the Order eventually coming around to proliferating the Sith across the galaxy, such that their numbers would eventually rival the Sith of old. The Sith idea of extreme social Darwinism is illustrated nicely by your example, and in this case the strongest Sith would come out on top. But infighting is always a problematic element when their enemies are still strong... However, this goal was likely never in the plans for Palpatine, who believed that only he himself should hold all the power, and he would probably not train an army of True Sith lest he risk them using their numbers to overthrow him. But if the Sith make a return, I would not be surprised if they choose to strike only when they have the appropriate numbers to threaten the fledgling New Republic and/or Jedi Order, which could easily take decades. One way they can get around this is by still allowing for just a small handful of "True Sith", or "Reborn Sith", if they were all truly destroyed at the end of RotJ, commanding armies of dark side warriors and sorcerers that aren't trained to be "true" Sith. The idea that there can be many Sith of varying Force power and abilities does remind me of the Old Republic, and in a good way. It would be nice to see this onscreen...if not in the ST, than hopefully in some spin-off film, set in the Old Republic era, perhaps?

You know, when Dooku told Obi-Wan that a Sith Lord was in control of the Senate, he really wasn't lying. The Sith can spin their stories with kernels of truth in order to manipulate others. In this case, if we take the events of the Plagueis novel to be indeed canon, then Palpatine was telling Anakin the truth in his story about Plagueis, but twisting it such that he wouldn't then reveal that the secret to immortality died with Plagueis (supposedly). This allowed the Sith Lord to ensnare Anakin, since the latter was so desperate to find a way to save his wife. So I believe that Palpatine really thought he had killed his Master, and if Plagueis survived, he had to have found a means by which even his shrewd and manipulative apprentice wouldn't be able to confirm that he was alive.

Plagueis returning simply means he had everyone fooled from the beginning, and that he never truly met his oblivion. It would then be up to the new heroes to find a way to ensure his demise, once and for all.

 

Yeah, but people forget...Anakin always believed that he could, anyway.

 

Who says I am without the title?

 

Darth Moth

 

May I introduce to you...



Count Deathstick

 

For crying out loud. He's dead. It's confirmed. His ashes are in an urn in Palpatine's office. I've been told that so I know it's true. Give it up.

The baddie will be someone completely new, totally unconnected to the story of the saga, the Sith are gone, and the ST is really just the continuing adventures of Luke Skywalker. Nothing more. Move along, move along.

 

Most likely in SW VII will be new villains (headhunters, aliens from another galaxy....), but the new episodes of the SW, Sith again because of the Sith + Jedi = balance in the force.
Аll the SW saga - the history of the struggle of two orders of monks

 

You're right from a certain point of view. Plagueis' ashes of his body are in an urn. However, who's to say where his essence is? That may be the key to the secret of immortality. Perhaps DP found a clever method of tranfering his essence and staying in some form of hibernation for the thousand years -- the completion of the Grand Plan by Sidious -- only to return to kill sidious and rule in his stead; the heavy lifting completed.

At the very least it's NOT as clearcut as you like to make it out to be and has a lot of plausibility.

 

I was taking the mickey (mouse)....

I'm Plagueis all the way. (and have been for quite some time - March or April??)

 

Oh, sincerest apologies then.

As I was writing it I wondered if you were beging fecetious. It's hard to tell sometimes on a message board.

 

StoneRiver

Based off of your quote, the story then is on a different story arc, so it shouldn't even be Episode 7. It should be a spinoff and be called something like Star Wars: The New Adventures of Luke Skywalker.

With a story arc you have a conflict and a resolution. The conflict in Star Wars is the Sith making their presence known after 1,000 years of living in seclusion, destroying the Jedi and establishing an evil galactic empire in what was once a peaceful republic. The resolution was the rebel alliance ultimately defeating the Empire with the destruction of Sidious and Vader.

So look at it this way...you're watching a movie. Let's say you're watching Die Hard (great movie BTW). What if at the end of Die Hard after Hans takes his 60 story death fall and the conflict has been resolved, it cuts to a scene showing McClain shooting radar in the middle of a highway, catches a guy speeding which leads to a high speed chase and a cocaine bust? You'd be like "HUH? Why is this in this movie? It's a different story."

Star Wars is one big story. When they announced Episode 7 they basically conceded that there was more to the story they had started. So....more to the conflict that was established in Episode 1. What could that be? There are a few possibilities but those all have already been discussed.

Another thing to think about is the threat at hand and how the bad guy should trump the bad guys from previous movies. So you could say Vader > Maul/Dooku/Grievous which makes sense because his part took place later in the story. Supreme Baddie (Sidious) finally met his demise in ROTJ along with Vader and presumably the Empire crumbled after their deaths. So, in order to maintain the same story arc, you're going to need a baddie that we didn't know about, or knew very little about, during the events of the first 6 movies. On top of that, he's going to need to be more evil than his predecessors. So you look at the Hobbit/LOTR story, Sauron>Saruman>Ringwraiths>Smaug. I look at the possibilities for this next trilogy and I see the baddie serving as the ultimate baddie of the galaxy that fooled everyone. Someone like Sauron, someone with ultimate power that waited until the right time to re-emerge or redeem themselves and catch a republic trying to rebuild itself off guard.

Sure, they can make a movie with a new arc and call it Episode 7. It will undoubtedly be a great popcorn flick, probably get like a 5.5 rating on IMDB. If they really want to add more classic movies to a classic franchise that will stand the test of time, they're going to need to think this one out carefully and make sure it meshes with the conflict that has already been set.

Script is done though, hopefully its a good one.

 

I_Love_Scotch - Maybe my post wasn't clear enough, you're the second person today to think I was being serious.

 

StoneRiver My bad!!!

 

I are Plageuis! Bow before me puny mortals.

 

I wonder if you have all read that the ST is supposed to be more secular. Plagueis is antithesis to that.

 

...but... if they haven't salted his ashes... then... his ghost... could...

 

I thought AL said it was Episode VII that was more secular not the entire ST. If the entire ST is secular then it's not really apart of the saga which is highly unlikely since TPTB said it's a continuation.

 

Okay, episode VII.

But I have to ask: And? Because if Plagueis is the main villain, he will feature in 7.