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PT Why Anakin/Darth Vader do not use force lightning?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by mihaitzateo, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    I was curious,how come Anakin, after he turns to the dark side,is not using force lightning?
    Dooku is using force lightning,however,Darth Maul is not using force lightning.
    If you take force push,Dooku is strongest user,Darth Maul,2nd and Anakin/Darth Vader,3rd.
    So,actually Darth Sidious is not teaching Anakin/Darth Vader anything.
    I am talking about the episodes I,II and III of Star Wars.
    Where Darth Vader is worst Sith Lord.
     
  2. MissJo

    MissJo Jedi Knight star 2

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    Well I suppose it takes time to learn how to use it. Also I don't think using Force lightning is a measurement for strength of a Sith. :)
     
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  3. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    Why Anakin is not able to force push Obi Wan?
    Force push was one of most easy abilities to use for Dark siders.
    Look with how much ease is Count Dooku force push Obi Wan.
     
  4. MissJo

    MissJo Jedi Knight star 2

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    He did, but Obi-Wan also used it, in the same tima. Force push is not something only Sith can use.

    [​IMG]
     
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  5. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yes,but Obi Wan is supposed to be weaker Jedi than Anakin.
    And was not Dark Side making Force sensitive individuals more able to quickly gain
    a strong Force Push than in the case of light side?
    Look how Dooku force pushes Obi Wan and after break very strong metal,using Force Push.
    I have said before,Dooku is even stronger with the dark side of the force than Sidious,I think.
    As a supposition.
    Maybe the mistake that Dooku does when fightning Anakin is that he is not using enough the Force,
    but tries to beat Anakin with the sword?
     
  6. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Anakin doesn't have the enough Force mastery to beat Obi-Wan there (TCW / RotS).



    After his immolation in Mustafar, he gets closer to the dark side (Vader suit) henceforth he become more powerful in the Force. However, he lost the ability to use force lightning potentially, due to his life support system (breathing apparatus) and his cybernetic arms.
     
  7. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yes,I understood Darth Vader is classic trilogy can not use Force Lightning because of his suit.
    But in classic trilogy Darth Vader is not even close at using the force as Count Dooku was using it.
    His force push still sucks.
    I am supposing Darth Sidious did not teach Darth Vader anything,actually.
     
  8. ShadowLady86

    ShadowLady86 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Maybe the cause are healthy hands? Anakin had his left hand cut in AOTC and right hand cut in ROFTS.
     
  9. Xenor

    Xenor Jedi Knight star 1

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    Because of plot armor. He would be too OP.

    Look how Anakin use his force potential as Padawan vs Ventress



    At 3:55,4:44, 4:50.
    Also how he is on fire after that scenes. In Star Wars III he should be 10x as strong its so stupid...

    [​IMG]
     
  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    While Anakin's connection to the Force was greater than Obi-wan's, he had not surpassed Obi-wan yet. He had come a long way since the first Battle of Geonosis, but he was not yet at the level of power that he would be at had he not been injured. In time, he would reach Palpatine's level.
     
  11. Davak24

    Davak24 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    He hadn't learned it yet.
     
  12. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    Actually,if you notice,Dooku is stronger with telekinesis than Sidious .
    Same about Force Push,Dooku is stronger with that.
    Sidious was very powerful with Force Lightning.
    So this is why I was asking,how come Sidious is not fast teaching Anakin/Vader how to use
    his favorite ability?
    Because Sidious did not either taught Darth Maul to use force lightning.
    I am supposing Dooku learned a lot about the dark side from Sith holocrons.
    And Dooku learned how to use force lightning from Sith holocrons.
     
  13. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Based on what evidence?
     
  14. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, I'm curious about that one?
     
  15. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    Some Sith just prefer different powers. I think it relates to character and fighting technique, almost like a lightsaber form, it's personal. Also, Anakin was only a Sith for a short amount of time, gaining no training or real knowledge before he was put into Vader's suit. I believe force lightning could seriously jeopardize the suit's life support systems.

    Also, we don't know that Maul never used lightning. He only had about half an hour of screen time broken up in TPM before he was dead. From what I gather, his fighting technique was more about being a shadow assassin, and when engaged, pure fierce unleashed attacks. He barely used any force powers in any of the duels, he was more about lightsaber combat from what the audience can see. Anakin was a good half and half of lightsaber and force powers, but he seems to slightly lean a little more towards skill with a saber.
     
  16. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I am pretty sure this isn't something Dooku can do to Yoda.

    [​IMG]

    And we've already this to prove that Dooku isn't nearly powerful as Darth Sidious.

     
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  17. CoolyFett

    CoolyFett Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Thread, surprised it took so long for someome to say. About 40 percent of his body was some kind of electronic powered prosthetic. Why overload the systems?
     
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  18. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    Erkan12: Actually,those supports that Sidious throws at Yoda are easy to break from where they are attached and directed towards Yoda.
    Remember how Dooku,in the cave,bends/breaks the metal of a much larger object,to fall over Anakin&Obi Wan.

    So this is the thing,both Dooku and Sidious are extremely powerful with force push/telekinesis.
    How come when Anakin turns to the dark side,he is not that strong with these abilities?
    Was't dark side supposed to make the users much stronger with these two abilities?
    Because I highly doubt Dooku could bend very strong metal,with the force,when he was a Jedi.
     
  19. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Dooku and Palpatine both trained from a very young age in the ways of the Force and had spent their entire lives dedicated to become as powerful as they were. Anakin, on the other hand, didn't take his training as seriously as they did. This is why he couldn't beat Dooku on Geonosis and why it took three years before he could. He was playing catch up to the Sith and that is why he isn't able to dominate Obi-wan like Palpatine did with Saesee Tinn, Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto. As to bending metal, Jedi and Sith can do that. There's a difference between Dooku crushing a piece of equipment where the metal is at its thinnest, versus trying to crumple the blast shields covering the doors to the bridge of the Federation control ship.

    As to what Dooku did in the hangar, Vader himself did the same thing without much trouble.
     
  20. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't know where you get your stats from, but Star Wars isn't Dungeons & Dragons.

    About Vader's ability to use telekinesis (minor spoilers for Star Wars Rebels: season 2, episode 1 - The Siege of Lothal):
    [​IMG]
    This is Darth Vader lifting a burning AT-ST, that has been pushed over him, right off the ground.
     
  21. beedubaya

    beedubaya Jedi Master star 2

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    Vader could not use force lightning because he did not have organic limbs.
     
  22. HylianBowcaster

    HylianBowcaster Jedi Knight star 1

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    I don't think Vader would want to go anywhere near electricity, considering how much of his body was machine.
     
  23. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah. A huge electrical charge and electronic life support systems don't really mix.
     
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  24. mihaitzateo

    mihaitzateo Jedi Knight star 3

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    The question was about Anakin/Darth Vader in prequel also.
    Is Force lightning an ability that takes a lot of time to learn to use?
    I thought that if a very powerful Jedi Knight falls to the dark side,he can instantly start to use Force Lightning.
    But maybe it was because Anakin had his right hand severed,as someone told above.
    Anakin should have learn to use Force lightning using only his left hand.
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_lightning
     
  25. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Luke couldn't just lift the X-wing out of the swamp, because Force powers have to be learned. Why would someone, who gave in to the Dark Side five minutes prior, know immediately how to shoot lightning from their fingers?
    But sure, if they magically would be able to do that: there's nothing in the movies that say that Anakin couldn't. He just didn't.