Why are Mical and G0-T0 so hated?

To quote Stewie Griffin, whom I referenced earlier; "You don't so much speak the language as chew it up and spit it out."

G0-T0 is Spotswood? That's awesome.

I remember G0-T0 destroying Bao-dur's remote, and yet, there it was on Malachor...

Hmmm...

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Agreed

 

G0-T0 - As others have said he (it?) has a really interesting backstory, but is pretty much useless in combat. I quite liked him because of the backstory, his usefullness in combat didn't really concern me as I had no real intention of using him anyway, seeing as the KoTOR II Jedi are overpowered.

Mical - Several reasons why I don't really like him...he doesn't teach anything useful, he's somewhat 1-D and a lot of his conversations are predictable and boring (conversations are one of the best part of the KoTOR games), more than eiter of those Brianna is a far more interesting character, given the choice of the two it's a no contest.

Finally, the other reason I take Brianna over him when I replay is because I think the whole story is better the male exile way. The female exile and Atton relationship is cheesy and just annoys me, the interactions between the male exile and Brianna are more interesting and those between the male exile and Visas are by far the most interesting and intriguing even if they are not fully explored.

 

The actor voicing GO-TO(Daran Norris)actually voices multiple characters, though not main ones, in both games.

 

Not to mention the whole Atris storyline if you're a male Exile. The implication that she harboured feelings for her former padawan adds a great deal of depth to their conversations and to her character. It explains why she's so cold (partly out of bitterness that she could never express her love, partly because she felt betrayed when he left her for the war). No wonder she treats Brianna so harshly, particularly at the end- it's mostly pure jealousy that her own Handmaiden would become close to the man she loved, when she never could herself.

 

Agreed, it give many extra dimensions to Atris, something which is totally lost when the exile is female. I need to hunt down the person who canonised the exile as female

 

Never liked the male storyline. So much romance. As if Exile was the only man in the galaxy.

 

Not sure what you mean. Wouldn't the female romances have the same problem? None of the male PCs get involved with other women either.

On that note, are there any RPGs with romances between non-main PCs? Like the equivalent of, say, an Atton-Mira romance, with the main character entirely uninvolved.

 

Exile had that Sion subplot though - which I thought could have had potential, had they finished it...

 

The Exile wasn't Atris's Padawan...

 

My apologies, I was sure that was mentioned somewhere. My memory must have been playing tricks on me. Nevertheless, we know that they were close prior to the Mandalorian Wars.

 

Mical was a scramble creation to vary male/female hero elements...Brianna is the much more developed element, and as the story in female modes gets screwy a bit without Brianna, take that for what it's worth.

Is it true that the Exile was canoned as female? If so, that is tragedy.

GO-TO would've been a better character if all the stuff that was cut from the game were included again. The HK's, the Malchor Plot...actually give GO-TO an ending, and he'd be a fuller character. As he stands, he starts great and then turns into a sardonic, comic relief in cut scenes.

 

Sad but true, in NEG to Droids the articles on G0-T0, T3-M4 and HK-47 have these lines...

"G0-T0 soon became mixed up with an exiled Jedi Knight and her mission to destroy the Sith Lords."

"Five standard years later, T3-M4 appeared aboard the abandoned freighter Ebon Hawk, where he fell into the company of the heroine known only as the Jedi Exile."

"Five years after the Star Forge incident, HK-47 teamed up with the heroine known as the Jedi Exile to battle a trio of Sith Lords."

 

There was less romance in the female storyline.

It wasn't destroyed, just damaged. It is a visual glitch that makes the remote seem to have sustained more terrible damage than intended.

 

Was this done just because Revan is assumed to be male? The story in the game is written from the perspective of the male hero and his relationship to the women, most specifically Kreia and Brianna...in the female hero version this is tripped over to remove Brianna...why on earth would they do this except to have "gender balance" from the KOTOR games.

So is Brianna and her story dismissed as a result of this decision?

 

Any more than that I don't know, haven't read a detailed out-of-universe canonization of the rest of the TSL story. I hope the decision was made for the right reasons, but looking at the story from both sides it's hard to see why they would choose female exile over male exile. I just get that feeling that it was more because Revan and every other video game character where the player could choose gender have all been canonised as male.

As the exile herself hasn't been profiled out-of-universe yet maybe there is still a possibility of a male exile and NEGtD retcon, but it seems unlikely.

 

No, let her be female, I don't care how it's 'canonized', if there ever will be a kotor 3 you'll be able to choose the exiles gender anyway

 

Sure you'll be able to choose, assuming they go the same way as they did with Revan in KoTOR.

I don't care how it's canonized either, I just think that choosing female is a big mistake. You lose - Brianna seemingly completely, the interesting parts of Atris' character, the intriguing and interesting relationship between the exile and Visas, etc. And you gain, umm, Mical and the cheesy relationship with Atton.

Guess I should see what Leyland has to say about the matter.

 

16 choices? Do you even have the idea what a nightmare it would be to debug that?

 

Male: Visas and Brianna for party members. Atris elsewhere.

Female: Atton and Mical for party members. Sion elsewhere.

Brianna's backstory (everything before the Exile arrives) is still canon. The story after that isn't.

Personally, I'm hoping they fudge with game mechanics a bit and say that canonically both Mical and Brianna joined the party. Even if the Brianna romance isn't canon (I have nothing against it being so, I just don't think LFL would be ready to make a move like that), at least the story of learning her Jedi heritage and betraying Atris, which is really the meat of it, would be intact.

 

^^^ Well you could still put the romance between the female exile and the handmaiden in canon but, you know what that would mean...

The exile is a bisexual casanova?

Here's a question, is there any Earth Story, Legend, Myth or etc. that you know of that has several interpretations of one hero's, or in this case, heroine's multiple partners?

 

I think the decision was made purely because some gamers were complaining after Revan was canonised as male. They said that Star Wars is too male-biased, that it was typical for a strong female heroine to be classified as non-canon, it was sexist, etc, etc. So to even things up the Exile was made a woman. It was not done for story reasons, it was done to appease a vocal minority.

 

Why appease a minority when the majority really doesn't care?

 

I dunno, ask Leland and the people who decide these things.

As has been said before, the canonisation of Revan and the Exile doesn't really matter much anyway at this point in time. It was done mostly for convenience's sake, so that these two can be referred to in other materials (such as the KOTOR comics) without having to avoid mention of gender or alignment.

 

I still think they should have left the genders up in the air and found some way to cleverly talk around the "he" and "she" aspect when referencing them in other sources, but whatever. The rabid Revan obsessees wouldn't hear of it, I suppose.

Back to G0-T0 and Mical: I thought G0-T0 was awesome until he started repeating the same crap to me over and over again. Unfortunately I kept going back to him whenever I returned to the ship and asking him the same questions in the hopes he had something new to say. I wasted a good deal of time on that fellow.


As for Mical, I kind of locked him up on the Ebon Hawk and didn't speak to him. He was something of a sketch. KOTORII was so much better if you played as a male, IMO. As much as Brianna was a b&%$h, she was at least interesting.