main
side
curve
  1. In Memory of LAJ_FETT: Please share your remembrances and condolences HERE

CT Why didn't Chewie shoot first?!

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by StartCenterEnd, May 5, 2018.

  1. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 2, 2006
    Forget about Han and Greedo. Rewatch the cantina scene. Han tells Chewbacca to get the ship ready and they both get up to leave the bar...suddenly Greedo comes up to Han and corners him back into his booth. Look in the background, Chewie is walking out of the cantina and within earshot as Greedo threatens Han!

    Forget who shot first...why didn't Chewie help Han out of this mess??
     
  2. firesaber

    firesaber Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 5, 2006
    After Han tells Chewie that, we cut to Luke and Ben outside the cantina and then cut back inside the cantina. I think the implication is that those seconds that passed when we saw Luke and Ben discussing the speeder sale also ticked away inside the cantina meaning Chewie was farther away if not out the door by the time Greedo rolls up.
    Or...Chewie is a right ****

     
  3. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Nope, Chewie's right there.

    [​IMG]

    He pretty much had to literally cross paths with Greedo as he was rolling up to Han with a drawn blaster. Maybe he didn't deserve that hug from Leia after all.
     
    TK-421 Is vader and SlashMan like this.
  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

    Registered:
    Sep 2, 2012
    Maybe he knew Greedo was so incompetent as not to be a serious threat, and thought "Han can handle it himself, he wouldn't thank me for babying him"?

    After all, we see in the special edition that Greedo is so bad a shot as to miss at point blank range, and so lacking in caution as to not insist Han keep his hands above the table.
     
  5. Cowgirl Jedi 1701

    Cowgirl Jedi 1701 Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Dec 21, 2016
    This.
     
    Iron_lord likes this.
  6. DarthZ07

    DarthZ07 Jedi Grand Master star 2

    Registered:
    May 11, 2005
    Yoda voice; At two hundred years old, hard of hearing you will be too.
     
  7. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

    Registered:
    Feb 24, 2005
    I must be blind, because I can’t see Chewie. Where is he?
     
  8. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jan 10, 2015
    I personally favor the "Han shot first" notion, though Iron Lord's rationalization of the antithesis is appealing.

    Furthermore, one may glean how foolish Greedo is by his actions. He simply points his weapon at Han. He does not remove Han's blaster, nor does he check for any additional weapons. Personally, I've never owned a gun, nor have I utilized one. I merely own a taser. But even I know this.
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2018
    TK-421 Is vader and Iron_lord like this.
  9. Sarge

    Sarge 5x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

    Registered:
    Oct 4, 1998
    I must be blind, because I can’t see Chewie. Where is he?[/QUOTE]
    On the left edge of the pic, you can see his bandoleer.
     
    SateleNovelist11 likes this.
  10. firesaber

    firesaber Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 5, 2006
    On the left edge of the pic, you can see his bandoleer.[/QUOTE]
    Ha! And so he is.

    So, Option two then:

     
  11. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jan 10, 2015
    Now, there are two of them!
     
  12. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Well, honestly, that was overblown. Unless you slow down the scene and play it frame by frame, it looks like Han simply dodges out of the way of the shot, which I believe is the intention, despite the physical positioning of the actors in the source footage necessitating some visual fudging.

    I can believe Greedo is a bad enough bounty hunter that he telegraphs his shot obviously enough for Han to be able to dodge it.
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2018
    oierem likes this.
  13. Darkside Floyd

    Darkside Floyd Jedi Master star 2

    Registered:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Soooo what are the odds that this was actually Greedo's first real attempt at bounty-hunting?

    Because if he's been this inept prior, I don't see how he didn't get killed before this.
     
    Sarge likes this.
  14. Sarge

    Sarge 5x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

    Registered:
    Oct 4, 1998
    Good point, but if wasn't known as a bounty hunter, how did Han know who and what he was?
     
    TK-421 Is vader likes this.
  15. TheCloneWarsForever

    TheCloneWarsForever Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Apr 24, 2018
    Canonically, Greedo's been one of Jabba's thugs since the Clone War days. Apparently, Jabba isn't terribly aggressive about managing out underperformers.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2018
    Sarge and TK-421 Is vader like this.
  16. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 2, 2006
    I don’t think Greedo was so inept. Pablo says it’s only canon that Han shot Greedo and the details are murky. I’m just sticking to Han shooting first being what really happened. Greedo shooting and missing is just too awful to ever believe is canon. It destroys all credibility and I’m a huge Lucas fanboy, love the prequels, clone wars, most other special edition changes but this one is just too glaring.
     
    Sith Lord 2015 and DARTHLINK like this.
  17. Darkside Floyd

    Darkside Floyd Jedi Master star 2

    Registered:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Then it sounds more like this was Greedo's attempt to ingratiate himself higher with Jabba by going after a bigger fish than he may have been accustomed to chasing.

    At the least, he deserves some credit for not confronting Han and Chewie together.
     
  18. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

    Registered:
    Feb 24, 2005
    And it ruins Greedo. The guy’s supposed to be one of the big bounty hunters, but can’t nail a guy sitting literally a few feet in front of him on the other side of a table?

    Though even if Han shot first, it speaks pretty poorly that Greedo never thought to demand that Han raise his hands up where Greedo could see them. Any decent bounty hunter worth his salt would’ve done that.
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2018
  19. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Greedo is something of an abuse case and buffoon in canon going back to the TPM, so likely Chewie knew Han could handle himself, especially against some lone idiot like that, who was probably never much of a threat to Han(who is a very dangerous man). Had Ponda and the Doctor been involved Chewie am sure would've stepped in, but they had an ill encounter with Ben and Luke.
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2018
  20. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Nov 10, 2011
    I mean, Ha
    Greedo isn't one of the big bounty hunters. He's a chump. He's one of many simpering lackeys (or "twerps" as Han calls them) currying for greater favor with Jabba. He's an errand boy. He was sent to communicate Jabba's displeasure and put a scare into Han, but he got cocky and ended up deep-fried. And Jabba doesn't really seem to care too much about it. That's why he sent Greedo out alone to confront Han. He knew the risk, and so he sent someone expendable.

    But now that he's confronting Han himself? That's why he has Boba Fett standing at his side.
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2018
    oierem, Sarge and Iron_lord like this.
  21. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

    Registered:
    Aug 6, 2016
    Chewie was too busy thinking about his real "old friend", Yoda.
     
    BigAl6ft6 likes this.
  22. SlashMan

    SlashMan Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Feb 5, 2012
    Wow, never noticed this before but looks like a mistake to me; I'm sure the filmmakers never intended to answer for why Chewie walked away from Han being threatened. The way it's edited with Luke and Ben cut in between tries to solve the issue by seemingly giving Chewie a head start - with the only issue being he can still be seen as Greedo enters.
     
  23. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Jun 28, 2001
    Which is why I've argued that Boba's inclusion in the hangar scene was a good way of foreshadowing not only TESB, but the general threat that the Fett's bring to the table.
     
  24. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Chewie didn't shoot first because he knows the fans say Han shoots first. Chewie isn't dumb.
     
  25. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Chosen One star 10

    Registered:
    Sep 25, 2015
    Chewie being there is just an editing error in ANH (OOT), compounded subsequently by all the needless SE versions of this particular scene.
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2018