Why Didn't GL Make Padme Die the Other Way

tavis12: I think it's perfect. The Skywalkers are two selfish kids that should never been allowed to copulate because they didn't have the maturity to raise children. The best thing for Luke and Leia is to as far away from those two losers as possible.

*I have a broken heart, so I'm going to give up; I don't care about my children*

Excellent view there! I've been faulting Anakin for not leaving the Jedi order to take care of his child/children. But just as bad, Padme falls to pieces and leaves them alone in the world. She's not thinking about her children either, she's thinking about herself.

 

If their love was strong enough to turn Anakin to the dark side, don't you think it'd be strong enough to crush someone's will to live?

Plus, with the kind of bond Padme and Anakin had she knew that he would try to find her and be able to sense her wherever she was, so she wouldn't be able to stay with one of the children or they would be endangered.

Also, she knows that if she is dead Anakin will assume the children are also gone and they will be safe from him and Palpatine.

 

"Excellent view there! I've been faulting Anakin for not leaving the Jedi order to take care of his child/children. But just as bad, Padme falls to pieces and leaves them alone in the world. She's not thinking about her children either, she's thinking about herself"

are you kidding? That is so not how it is

 

I'm sure Padme loved her children, but sometimes love just isn't enough, and that point is proven every single day.

 

I think it's been said that Lucas felt it was going too far having Vader being the reason she dies, on a physical level. On an emotional level, it's different because it's too much on her. You see that she is strong, but not as strong as her daughter will turn out to be.

In a sense, Padme had developed too strong an attachment to Anakin. And unlike how he is with attachments, she falls apart at the prospect of losing her soulmate. Being choked by him was the last straw.

 

She should have died off screen between ROTS and ANH. She may have been a major player in the PT, but in order to match up with Leia's memories in ROTJ she has to die no more than 5 or 6 years later in hiding.

The "its all a 'force memory'" explanation is crap. She would know the difference between her true childhood and her false "memories". If that were the case, she would have said, "I never knew her, but feel like I did...I know exactly what she looks like, I can't explain it...etc." Weak, weak, WEAK.

 

Ok For all those for blaming Padme for dying.

Answetr me this what happens if she lives?

Does she keep the children with her so the empire can
hunt them, or does she split them up. Either way the children are leaving her.

Padme knows this, and thats just another heartache for her. Plus for the childrens safety her death is actually helps them.

 

The "its all a 'force memory'" explanation is crap. She would know the difference between her true childhood and her false "memories". If that were the case, she would have said, "I never knew her, but feel like I did...I know exactly what she looks like, I can't explain it...etc." Weak, weak, WEAK.

Leia: "I know. Somehow, I've always known."

Leia doesn't know where her memories of Padme came from. Or why she never tried to puruse Luke as a love interest. She said that it was images and feelings. Enough to qualify as a Force vision, especially given that Yoda said you can see the past. And that we've seen Anakin seeing events while asleep.

Padme loves Anakin so much that it's totally heartbreaking to lose him. And as someone pointed out, though rather calously (sp), she cared more about having Anakin with her, than about raising her children without him.

Padme is similar to Leia, but they're also very different when it comes to love.

 

Here's how we spin the case of Padme Living.

She forever stays sad and depressed like Caska(In the Berserk Series). But maybe dies when Leia reaches the age of 1 or 2. Age 3 at the most.

She survives and lives on Alderaan as a hand maiden, remember Padme's the Queen of Disguises. But this time its for the life of the Rebellion, herself and her daughter.

She's also sad because she cannot ever see Luke again, the only true memory of what Anakin is and was.

She dies in her sleep one day, or while chasing Leia around the garden of the palace like Mr Corleon did in God Father I.

Being spunky and having grit is an attitude not a heredy trait. Leia learns her strong will from watching her mother at an early age.

 

Things aren't always so black and white. Who's to say that Leia didn't get images of her mother from beyond the grave? She says "There is still good in him..." Luke could have retained this for many years. Maybe Padme appeared to Leia in visions. Maybe in dreams.... why do Leia's memories have to be so ordinary and concrete?

 

The "somehow I've known" bit is talking about them being brother and sister.

Luke: Leia...do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

Leia: Just a little...she died when I was very young.

Right there would have been a perfect time for Leia to mention that these "memories" weren't from her actual childhood. Her real memories of being a toddler would conflict with why she remembers what her mom looks like, how kind she was, etc.

 

When Luke asks her what she remembers she says "Just images really....feelings" I think she had visions of Padme throughout her early childhood (infancy). Maybe Leia's strong will came from these "visits" from Padme. Lukes wanting to attend the academy could be the same will. Perhaps it was unspoken that Padme watch over Leia, and Yoda / Obi over Luke. He (Luke) does say he remembers Degobah (Like a dream). If you think about it. Leia followed the path Padme would have had she lived (she definitely would have led the rebellion, in my opinion). And Luke, obviously followed in his father's steps and trained as a Jedi. I'm going off on a tengent now... To get back on topic..I think Padme sacrificed herself for her children, in the way Obi Wan did for Luke. Wow..that was a mouthfull

 

harpuah, you make too much sense.

Must...not.....back down...from my....original....opinion.....NOOOO!

 

When Luke asks her what she remembers she says "Just images really....feelings" I think she had visions of Padme throughout her early childhood (infancy). Maybe Leia's strong will came from these "visits" from Padme.

I'll go one better. Who says that it was only in her infancy that she's seen Padme? She could still be seeing it clear up until ANH. She's just confusing the two, because she doesn't know that she can use the Force. She just thinks that she's always known, yet she can't really explain how or why.

The "Always known" is in reference to knowing about Luke, but I was making a point that on a subconscious level, Leia has known these things. She's just never really questioned it. After learning that she's related to Luke and by extention, Vader, she knows that it all ties into the Force. Especially when Luke explains the vision power, during her training, long after ROTJ has ended.

 

She always knew Luke was her brother. That gives a more disturbing image to the kiss in ESB than even before.

 

I never understood why people were so peeved with Leia kissing Luke in ESB. She kisses him again at the end as well.

She didnt give him the tongue or anything people, she was doing it to piss Han off. and it was about 2 seconds long. there was nothing behind it.

 

She only did that to make Han jealous. She did say that she would kiss a Wookiee than him. However, kissing Han's other best friend is even better. Granted, the fact that they're related is even more...off, it gets her point across.

 

Not really (I'm referring to the "disturbing image")... She probably didn't know in a concrete way... I mean, I'm sure she didn't see Luke for the first time and think "He's my brother". She probably just felt that there was something about him...and when it was presented to her, it all made sense at once, and she knew what it was about him at that moment.

Sinister..I totaly agree. I think these visions are probably what drove her all of her life. They made her who she was.

 

The Republic had been plunged into dictatorship. The democracy she'd fought for her entire life was a lie. She had helped kill Freedom herself by letting Palpatine manipulate her into putting him in a position of power. That same man had taken her husband from her and was on a quest of destroying what her children would almost assuredly be, Jedi.

Good point but I think by Padme staying alive and raising her children that wouldve given her more incentive to fight for her husband and his soul.

 

Maybe Leia would have died in a similar way if Han died or went evil. How do we know that Padme is so different from her daughter?

Good thing Lucas had Greedo shoot first.

 

Again Padme being alive does not help her children. Please explain to me how it does. She would endanger her children if she lived.

 

Good point but I think by Padme staying alive and raising her children that wouldve given her more incentive to fight for her husband and his soul.

She would've, if her husband hadn't become evil. She wouldn't have given up. But because he turned against her, she's lost her will to live. It's only as she's dying that she proclaims that there is still good in him. Well, it's supposedly choked off as she dies right then. But you get the point.

 

She saw her mother in dreams? That's difficult for me to accept. She never knew her mother, so she's not an "old friend long gone." Luke can't use the force, not even a little bit, to see his mother through any sort of dreams. There's no evidence to support why only one baby could see her mother through the force. Anakin's dreams were clear as glass, not mere images and feelings. Even if she saw Padme in a dream, she'd have no idea who that person was. Her 'real' mother was supposidly the queen of alderaan since she was but a baby when adopted. Luke claims to have never known his mother and therefore not have any memories. Leia never corrects him and states that she never knew hers either.

It may not be in the film release, but GL always makes little alterations after the movie has made it's $$$ at the theater anyway, so I hope I'm right in thinking this. maybe we'll see R2 secretly play little holograms of Padme since he never gets his memory erased. He must still have plenty left in him.

 

If she would have hung on for the children, do you really think she would have had the capacity to fight for Anakin's soul? Her children would have been raised in hiding...constantly in fear, and as you know "fear leads to anger...." She made the right decision, I think.

 

Again Padme being alive does not help her children. Please explain to me how it does. She would endanger her children if she lived.

Well the children will always be in danger. They are the children of the CHOSEN ONE, there will always be a cloud of danger surrounding them. However I understand what you are saying that really where could she hide. Naboo,I dont know isnt Palps lackeys there. Alderaan she wouldve died along with Bail, so I dont know I just wish she couldve hung in there just a little longer but thats not how it works.