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Why didn't Yoda simply kill Anakin himself?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by DARTH-SHREDDER, Jun 19, 2005.

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  1. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    How hard is it to fly to the death star and sneak up on Vader and kill him. And also, I think Yoda might be able to beat Anakin in a saber duel. Better yet though, sneak up behind him and wack a mole! And I'm sure that Yoda had a ship to fly there.
     
  2. RebelScum77

    RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    A. Yoda no longer had a saber.
    B. He was waiting for the Force to tell him what to do, aka bring him Luke.
    C. You honestly think it's that easy to "sneak" up on Vader?
    D. Especially when you look like Yoda??
    E. Especially when Vader could easily sense him?

     
  3. mr_clark_90

    mr_clark_90 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I have no doubt Yoda can Defeat Anakin, but when you say he can easily get to the death star I have to disagree. (1) Yoda is on a primitve planet with no intelligent life besides himself. (2) The planet he's on sucks up ships like theres no tomorrow. and (3) Has anyone ever actually seen Yoda flying a ship? Besides, I don't think Yoda believed it was his "destiny" to kill Vader. He goes for higher up types like Sidious.
     
  4. ClonedEmperor

    ClonedEmperor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    A. Yoda no longer had a saber.

    Actually, though it is a "tales" comic, and not canon, Yoda is seen with a purple lightsaber on dagobah (Mace Windu's???) which he ignites and throws into a imperial probe droid with the force in "The HiddeN
     
  5. RebelScum77

    RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well as far as most people know, Yoda doesn't have a saber. And Mace Windu's is probably lost in the bottom of Coruscant.
     
  6. Curufinwe

    Curufinwe Jedi Master star 2

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    Because destiny did not ordain for him to be the destroyer of Vader. He would easily have been sensed by the Sith if he tried to reach them. Yoda forsaw that "wars not make one great;" brusque force would not undo the galaxy's evil, Yoda having tried that in Revenge of the Sith. Only the unorthodox training of the twins of Anakin Skywalker, if at all, would bring about the end of the Sith rule.


    Necessarily logical? No. Mythologically sound? Yes indeedy.
     
  7. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    Yoda wouldn't be able to sneak aboard the Death Star.

    Well, unless he had smuggling compartments on his nonexistant ship, but other than that ... nope.
     
  8. RebelScum77

    RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I wish Campbell was required reading.
     
  9. DDRmaster101

    DDRmaster101 Jedi Youngling

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    Yoda was too weak to take on Vader
     
  10. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well Jedi do have the ability to be invisible...to an extent.
     
  11. Silent_Ron

    Silent_Ron Jedi Knight star 1

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    Ummmm, probably would be easier for you to walk into a cave somewhere in Pakistan and kill Osama Bin Laden. [face_laugh]

    I will give you Yoda being better than Anakin in a saber duel (especially post-Mustafar Vader), but it would never come to this scenario. Besides, what good would it do at this point to "kill" Vader? Palpatine is the real threat to the galaxy. Vader has been reduced in rank from "Future All Powerful Sith Lord" to the Emperor's version of Waylon Smithers.

    Yoda did the smart thing. He waited for the right time to bring the whole house down. Because of Obi Wan and Yoda, Luke was able to achieve the ultimate goal. He was able to bring balance back to the force....., even though Lucas made up that whole "Balance to the Force" gimmick long after ROTJ was out of the theater and he needed material for the prequals.....

     
  12. WLDB

    WLDB Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ^
    The Clones had no problem spotting them.
     
  13. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP_

    ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP_ Jedi Youngling star 2

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    1) would be pointless to kill vader anyway, would probably give the empire an excuse to clamp down and wipe out what little independence was still allowed to the empire's citezens..

    2) how easy is it to kill someone who is more or less a cyborg? I mean "more machine than man" who knows how many working vital organs he still has, "killing" him would probably be a suicide mission anyway, so there'd be no more Jedi left powerful enough to either fight ani or palpy, so they'd be screwed if some stormtrooper found him, stuck him in a stasis pod, and got him repaired
     
  14. Jandekian_Overlord

    Jandekian_Overlord Jedi Youngling star 1

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    As an enlightened individual, Yoda was beyond such pettiness. He would not subscribe to such barbarism, and the only time he would even think to brandish his lightsaber would be to defend himself, not overpwer and kill (murder, rather) a fellow Jedi (which is exactly what Vader is...he is not inherently evil, but instead a lost Jedi who suffered for his passionate beliefs).

     
  15. Sith_Lightning

    Sith_Lightning Jedi Youngling

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    C. You honestly think it's that easy to "sneak" up on Vader?

    Also, wouldn't Vader feel his prescence there through the force?
     
  16. -WingZero-

    -WingZero- Jedi Youngling

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    Anakin woulda whiped the floor with Yoda in the OT.
     
  17. Aeneas_Falco

    Aeneas_Falco Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Doubtful.

    Extremely doubtful.

    Anakin wasn't even stronger than Yoda yet in the PT, so why would he be stronger than Yoda in the OT? Darth Vader (the man in black) was 80% as powerful as the Emperor, a man Yoda pretty much fought to a draw and possibly would have beaten.

    I think OT Yoda could have killed Vader, the problem was getting to him in the first place. Jedi aren't invincible...they can't take on whole armies. Yoda may very well have been cut down by stormtroopers if he tried to get to Vader. Luke was able to get to him only because both Vader & the Emperor wished to turn Luke to the Dark Side. He was allowed to get close. Yoda was a hopeless case (as far as being turned to the dark side), so Vader & the Emperor would have done their best to prevent him from getting close. Also, killing Vader wouldn't have solved anything. Palpatine would still be ruling the galaxy and he'd train another Sith apprentice to replace Vader.
     
  18. -ChewieLewie-

    -ChewieLewie- Jedi Youngling star 1

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    1. Yoda lost his saber. 2. And the only way Vader could turn back to the light was through Luke.
     
  19. cymbalmonkey

    cymbalmonkey Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I actually think Vader could have beaten Yoda ... i don't subscribe to the theory that because Darth Vader has become more machine than man he suddenly has become weak ... Sidious is more powerful than Yoda in ROTS and i'm sure his power and knowledge of the dark side of the force have increased by ROTJ and the OT ... so when Lucas says Vader's 80% of Palpatine at this time, that's pretty damn powerful ... the only reason Obi-Wan could keep up with Vader in ROTS was because he taught him all his saber techniques ...
     
  20. RebelScum77

    RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  21. Obi-Wan_Jalopy

    Obi-Wan_Jalopy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    If we are going to pursue this line of questioning, (and I think it's fun and interesting) a more appropriate question might be: why didn't Yoda take another shot at Palps somewhere down the line?

    Many of the arguments that have already been made (such as Vader being to well guarded, basically living in a military installation, etc.,) could be applied in spades to the Emperor. Even stronger are the arguments that Yoda's real duty was to wait and let the Force guide him to the true answer to the Sith, which ultimately was Luke.

    But one could make the argument that Yoda had a duty as a moral being to confront the Emperor and somehow stop what was obviously the mass murder (presumably on the scale of billions) that was taking place. It's true that the odds would have been near-impossible, but aren't those the types of odds Star Wars heroes are always up against?

    As I said, I think this is interesting.
     
  22. Darth_Zoo

    Darth_Zoo Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't think Yoda would have a chance against Vader.
    He seemed to be getting pretty weak at the end of RotS and especially the OT!

    Yoda realized that hiding and waiting was the only thing he could to other than suicide.
     
  23. DarthSkeptical

    DarthSkeptical Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I'm not so sure I agree that Yoda has no lightsaber just because we may not have seen him escape with it in Episode III. He certainly could've constructed one--I mean, Luke somehow did--and I think that a part of Luke's offscreen Dagobah training has to be with a lightsaber. Otherwise, Luke has never faced a lightsaber opponent prior to his battle with Vader at the end of Episode V.

    Would Yoda have beaten Vader? In a one-on-one, straight-up fight, sure. But that's the thing. How do you get a simple duel like that? I'm not saying it's impossible. Surely Yoda found a way to infiltrate the Emperor's office, post-Order 66. But the Senate was a familiar building to him and Courscant his home. The longer Yoda remained in exile, the more the details changed. Where was the Emperor living? Was Vader always on a star destroyer? With none of the information-gathering and technological infrastructure of the Temple to help him, Yoda was a lone agent, with longer odds.

    But all that's a moot point: Yoda didn't kill Vader because that simply wasn't his goal.
     
  24. sergejg

    sergejg Jedi Youngling star 3

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    F. Sneaking up and killing someone just for REVANGE, is not very Jedi.
     
  25. Jon_Bon_Kenobi

    Jon_Bon_Kenobi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Silent_Ron "Ummmm, probably would be easier for you to walk into a cave somewhere in Pakistan and kill Osama Bin Laden. "[face_laugh]

    Exactly!

    And hows this for starters:
    A. He didnt have a ship.
    B. How would he get that non-existant ship onto the Death Star?
    C. He didnt have a lightsaber.
    D. What would he do? Kung Fu him to death?
    E. How did he know Vader was ON the Death Star?
    F. The above quote
    G. He is Vaders father.....

    :eek:
     
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