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Why do people hate Return of the Jedi?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by ratmankey, Mar 30, 2003.

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  1. Daughter_of_Yubyub

    Daughter_of_Yubyub Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    My point exactly. :D
     
  2. Darth Jamus

    Darth Jamus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ewoks get bashed simply because they are cute! Had they looked like trolls with sticks everyone would have loved their defeating the Empire! :confused: There would be no questioning as to how primitives defeated technology! But simply because they are cute, hate mongering bashers :mad: go ballistic and hate the film! I used to dislike them, but one day I realized that they were nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. Heck, they are entertaining and serve their purpose in the film! :D
     
  3. Daughter_of_Yubyub

    Daughter_of_Yubyub Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    What is it about cuteness that everyone is so allergic to? I shall never comprehend.

    I've noticed that fans of the X-Wing novels have no objections to Ewoks.

    Of course, no one who spends a lot of time posting with me objects to Ewoks for long. :p
     
  4. sellars1996

    sellars1996 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    What is so interesting to me is that the criticisms of ROTJ in the article I linked to last week are applicable to all of the SW films. The Ewoks and Jar Jar are kindred spirits and the object of much scorn. But bad dialogue and wooden acting are in ANH and TESB as well, even though these two films are consistently held up as the best of the SW films.

    I am not sure how the ROTJ/TPM/AOTC bashers fit in demographically, but I would bet that most are around my age (32) who grew up on and loved ANH and TESB. They wanted to be blown away by ROTJ, but were a bit too old to like a film series that is essentially for children and/or got swayed by peer pressure into thinking that SW was no longer cool. ROTJ thus jaded them. After waiting 16 years, they went to see TPM but were not open minded about it because of high expectations and left thinking the PT was going to be more like ROTJ, so they never even gave AOTC a chance. It's a shame, because AOTC was much closer in feel and story to ANH and TESB that TPM or ROTJ, but it just goes to show that no matter what Lucas does, some SW "fans" will not be happy. Some people take these films too seriously and are personally very upset when Lucas does not deliver to their high expectations.

    I would agree with one of the previous replies that if people do not like ROTJ or even TPM, they should just not watch it or refrain from bashing it. They are entitled to their opinions, but I think that any true SW fan would not engage in repeated bashing, dissection, or criticism of the films. I strongly disagree, though, that any of the films are better or worse than each other. Each has its faults and we all have our personal favorites. I used to believe that the OT were vastly superior to the PT, and that TESB blew ROTJ out of the water. But then I watched the OT with a shaprly critical eye, including my personal favorite, TESB, and I saw that they were really about the same quality. And when you look at the good points to each film, including ROTJ, they are very good indeed.
     
  5. Vanthorne_OX

    Vanthorne_OX Jedi Master star 3

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    ROTJ was the first SW film I ever saw, and I was too young to comprehend it. So when I saw them in order years later, I couldn't really remember the ending and wasn't spoiled. At first without a doubt ROTJ was my favorite. But now I feel ESB is overall my favorite, while ROTJ is my favorite ending.

    But when I watch SW, I usually watch TPM, AOTC, and ANH separately. But whenever I watch ESB, it feels wrong not to watch ROTJ right behind it. For me, they are just one large film, which of course is part of another larger film. Part of the greatness I find in ROTJ is its ability to follow up ESB in an upbeat but still menacing way. I've got a break coming up and I'm thinking about watching SW each day. But I'll do it over a four day period because ESB and ROTJ go together for me.
     
  6. DarthRandolph

    DarthRandolph Jedi Youngling

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    while it is not my favorite sw film rotj is still a great film. while the ewoks got annoying sometimes i never hated them. i loved the end ecspcially the final light saber duel. while i cant find any real problems in the original i hate that jedi rocks song in the special edition
     
  7. Darth Jamus

    Darth Jamus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    From the latest INSIDER:

    FIVE REASONS WHY RETURN OF THE JEDI GETS A BAD RAP

    EWOKS Ewoks take it on the chin for some fans, even more so than the Gungans. Beneath their teady-bear looks, the Ewoks are actually viscious little carnivores. The on film evidence of Ewok toughness wasn't helped by spin-off books like The Baby Ewoks' Picnic Surprise.

    MUPPETS Some fans grumble that the menagerie of Jabba's palace is overly influenced by the work of Jim Henson Studios. It's got to be one of the cardinal sins of fandom to dislike the great Jim Henson.

    NO HERO DEATHS All the heroes survive JEDI intact, a fact that irks a few who bemoan a missed opportunity for drama. For what it's worth, critical fans have some company. "I was convinced Han Solo should die," said Harrison Ford in a 1992 interview. Screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan had Lando in his crosshairs: "I thought we should have one of the heroes go down to prove the Sarlaac was for real," Kasdan revealed in Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays. George Lucas didn't want anyone to die except the villains." At one point, Kasdan even suggested that Luke die and Leia take his place as the central hero.

    BUT ONE BOUNTY HUNTER DEATH Boba Fett fans - and they are many - howl at the indignity of their star's death, particularly his screaming cry of terror. Never mind that if anyone deserved to take out Fett, it was Han Solo ("But he was blind!" shouts the Fett brigade). In the twenty years since JEDI's release Lucasfilm has done its best to make amends, first by deciding that Boba Fett actually escaped the Sarlaac (first revealed in 1991's Dark Empire comic series), then including a bounty of Fett-related action in Attack Of the Clones. And speaking of Fett and the Sarlaac...

    BURP JOKES If you're one of those people who doesn't find belching inherently funny, JEDI hits you twice: once after Jabba's pet worrt ingests a rodent, and again when Fett makes his early exit.
     
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