ST Why does Baby Yoda get a pass but Rey does not ?

Simple question -

Why are some people ok with cute baby Yoda 's display of Force ability as a child with no training but complain about Rey ?

Fair ?

MODS - I was not quite sure where to post this thread. Sorry if it is in the wrong section.

 

In before da lock

 

Because we went through two full trilogies showing how Jedi train in the force while Rey just suddenly has these powers.

TROS does what it can to explain it, though. The “dyad” thing means that Rey and Kylo can essentially pick up on things by interacting with each other (mind probing, healing, etc.) so... while kinda dumb, at least it makes sense.

As far as Baby Yoda, the child immediately collapses after using the power, so there’s one key difference. Rey just does the thing and there’s no real price for it, neither in training nor consequences.

 

It's a fair question. Of course, we don't know Baby Yoda's background at all, so we are making the not unreasonable assumption he's had zero guidance or training.

I think another element here is speed. In hours, Rey goes from apparently never having manifested any real Force "powers" to blocking the mental attacks of a highly trained powerful Force user, mind controlling a storm trooper, and out dueling a powerful Dark side in a light saber duel (to say nothing of flying the Falcon like a veteran). Baby Yoda's usage seems more primitive and instinctive.

 

IN B4 THE LOCK !

 

I think we perhaps associate Yoda' species with being innately powerful in the force.

If Rey was Yoda's species, perhaps there wouldn't be these complaints.

 

In before the lock so an answer for OP:

Rey was established as a scavenger on distant world all life scavengin around and thinkin Jedi and Sith are myth. Turned out to be master Force User and duelist in a couple days doing everything effortlessly.

Yoba was established as a mysterious character of the same race Yoda and Yaddle were with mysterious background and hunted by everyone. Also 50 years old. Blacks out after one more or less powerfull Force trick.

The abilites of Rey is hard to accept as logical due to how she was introduced. The abilities of Yoba isnt.

Thats it.

 

^ This

I think OP just has an axe to grind. Very few are still complaining about Rey being overpowered because the arguments have been made and respective stances set in concrete 4 yrs ago.

 

Baby Yoda is a plot device, not the main protagonist so even if he were overpowered, it wouldn't be damaging to the story being told by that series.

Rey is taking the "Luke Skywalker" spot in the story - the struggle is much more important for that kind of role.

Looking at it from the POV of damage to the "consistency" of the universe, yeah - I could see it being a double standard. It's something I generally don't dwell on. I've come to accept that Force powers are whatever the writer needs for a story.

 

It is a double standard, but I think people don't give Rey a pass because she's the protagonist. When she's the main focus of the story, you expect more struggle.

 

Force ability is one thing, but mastery is a different matter. Baby Yoda was around somewhere approximately 10 BBY.

 

I love how literally everyone has said in before the lock and the thread hasn’t been locked. Baby yoda collapses/gets tired after using the force. Rey just does it for no reason in TFA and without consequence. I have no problem with her powers in TLJ or ROS just TFA

 

Can we stop pretending that all Force Powers should be all super difficult to execute?

Rey is able to do it, and Ben is also able to do it (once returned to the Light). And a baby is also able to do it.

Obi-Wan did this at least twice in the films. Once with Luke, and once with Padme.

This does not mean that every Jedi is able to do it, and does not mean that even those who are able to do it, do it with the same ease.

 

Doesn't the concept of this dual-natured "Dyad" go some way to explaining everything? The way I understand this now from TROS is that when Rey started to come into contact with the other half of this Dyad, Ben / Kylo, the Force was "awakened" in her and it begins to become amplified between the two of them. They are like a super-conduit or signal booster for the Force.

 

This is correct. The Force in them is completely connected to each other, as if it were a single person.

 

It's hard for me to reconcile Luke Skywalker on Dagobah with the X-Wing and Rey on Crait with several tons worth of boulders. Can you imagine Luke and Rey 'learning' the force at the same time? Luke may have simply handed over Anakin's lightsaber to her. And that's a shame.

 

No axe here but so sorry if it came out that way.
I had been in a somewhat spirited debate about this with friends from work and was curious as to what the general vibe about this topic would be here

 

Luke and Rey training under Yoda on Dagobah.

Luke: "You want the impossible..."
Rey: "Hold my food rations"

 

Rey's the main protagonist and we had to watch Luke and Anakin struggle of even fail to do stuff much less impressive than stuff she can do, on a whim it would seem.

 

Eh - the Mandalorian gets a pass in general despite being a show where each episode consists of a video game sidequests. It's like someone made a movie about someone playing the SW version of Skyrim.

 

Different setting, different context. Different standards.

 

Granted, I don't have Disney+, though have been thoroughly spoiled about every episode of the Mandalorian so far.
My general take is that since we know so little about Baby Yoda's species and origins the suspension of disbelief concerning him is a bit wider. There is also the fact that he is 50 years old, so even if he is young by his species standards he has still had lots of time to come into his own when it comes to his abilities.

In Reys case we have literal 1-1 comparisons with the other protagonists of the series. We can look to Luke and Anakin to see what is reasonable for a 20 something human with force abilities (Even a prodigy), is able to do.
Anakin, even as the Chosen One, is basically the standard for the Jedi of his era. He took over a decade to train to Knighthood. Even then, despite his own boasts, he was clearly not in the top tier of the Jedi. He put up an excellent fight against Dooku, but lost. Only after several years of refining his skills in the fire of a war did he come into his own.

Lukes situation is curious. He got relatively little training, but shared Anakins bloodline. For all intents and purposes he was a prodigy too, but he still faced great difficulty on his road to training. In many ways he was self-taught. Obi-Wan got him started, but then died, and he spent years on his own before being sent to Dagobah.
Another reason this works is because the time period of his training is vague. Yes, we can be comfortably certain it wasn't extremely long, but Yoda probably made sure to hit the key points in the ambiguous amount of time he had with Luke.

IMO this aspect of Reys character gets some reinforcement in TROS, when she trains with Leia it isn't stated for how long, and it becomes more reasonable to assume she learned a fair bit. Which works for that movie, but doesn't really do anything for her innate abilities in the previous films.

In truth I'm not crazy about a baby lifting a Mudhorn, force choking someone, or healing wounds casually either.
In the first case at least I think it would have been more believable had he used some form of the beast tamer ability. Which is more a psychological power than a physical one. Subtle manipulations of the force are easier to accept than grandiose demonstrations that should take training.

 

Do we know much about the Yoda species?

 

Since when did Anakin struggle with anything but his own ego?

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He got captured in AOTC and needed Yoda and co to come and save him. Got owned by Dooku in their first fight and lost an arm. And got beaten by Obi Wan, whom Lucas says is just an average Jedi in terms of power, as well. By contrast, Roey never feels like she's had to suffer like he or Luke did.