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Why does Palpatine laugh and enjoy himself while fighting Yoda but not Mace and the Jedi Posse?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Matthew78, Jul 31, 2007.

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  1. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's why Dooku ran when Yoda out sabered him and countered every thing he threw at him? He also matched Palpatine blow for blow until Yoda sent them both flying.
     
  2. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I know you have the Novel handy, why don't post that passage...
    The one where Yoda gave up.;)
     
  3. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Finally, he saw the truth.

    This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi
    Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the
    darkness had ever known . . .
    just-

    didn't-
    have it.

    He'd never had it. He had lost before he started.

    He had lost before he was born.

    The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a
    thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but
    Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade
    themselves.
    They had become new.
    While the Jedi-

    The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last
    war.

    The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not
    be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter his light, the darker
    their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when war itself had
    become the dark's own weapon?
    He knew, at that instant, that this insight held the hope of the
    galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him. Hmmm, Yoda
    thought. A problem this is . . .

    (Anakin and Obi-Wan duel part)

    The end came with astonishing suddenness.
    The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend
    back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the
    creature had reached the limits of his strength. The shadow released its
    power for an instant, long enough only to whirl away through the air and
    alight upon one of the delegation pods as it flew past, and the creature
    leapt to follow-
    Half a second too slow.

    The shadow unleashed its lightning while the creature was still in the
    air, and the little green freak took its full power. The
    shock blasted him backward to crash against the podium, and he fell.
    He fell a long way.
    The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted
    scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the
    little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once
    again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he
    leaned on the pod's rail.
    Old he might have been, but there was nothing wrong with his eyesight;
    he scanned the wreckage below, and he did not see a body.
    He flicked a finger, and in the Chancellor's Podium a dozen meters
    away, a switch tripped and sirens sounded throughout the enormous building;
    another surge of the Force sent his pod streaking in a downward spiral to
    the holding office at the base of the Podium tower. Clone troops were
    already swarming into it. "It was Yoda," he said as he swung out of the pod.
    "Another assassination attempt. Find him and kill him. If you have to, blow
    up the building."
    He didn't have time to direct the search personally. The Force hummed a
    warning in his bones: Lord Vader was in danger. Mortal danger.
    Clones scattered. He stopped one officer. "You. Call the shuttle dock
    and tell them I'm on my way. Have my ship warmed and ready."
    The officer saluted, and Palpatine, with vigor that surprised even
    himself, ran.

    With the help of the Force, Yoda sprinted along the service accessway
    below the Arena faster than a human being could run; he sliced conduits as
    he passed, filling the accessway behind him with coils of high-voltage
    cables, twisting and spitting lightning. Every few dozen meters, he paused
    just long enough to slash a hole in the accessway's wall; once his pursuers
    got past the cables, they would have to divide their forces to search each
    of his possible exits.

    But he knew they could afford to; there were thousands of them.

    He pulled his comlink from inside his robe without slowing down; the
    Force whispered a set of coordinates and he spoke them into the link. "Delay
    not," he added. "Swiftly closing is the pursuit. Failed I have, and kill
     
  4. Matthew78

    Matthew78 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Thats what pisses me off about the Book too, it is very good but doesnt portray what happens in the movie properly, and Comic adaptation is also similar too, in the comic Palpatine blasts Yoda down with force lightning too and there is no explosion as their energies converge,the comic does do the book justice in some ways, but it doesnt portray the movie very well, i do like the duel with Palpatine and Mace Windu in the comic, Mace tells the chancellor that "the war is over chancellor." Palpatine says "the war isnt over,the Separitist leadership must be destroyed, an example must be made." Mace responds "The jedi will not continue to be your personal executioners." Palpatine "The jedi will do what they're told!".

    It pretty much picks up from there except for Palpatine saying that the jedi are traitors to the Republic and he will not tolerate their treason, he then kills Saesee Tinn and Agen Kolar in one swing across their chests at the exact same time and duels Mace Windu and then promptly swings around and kills Kit Fisto right afterwards, far sooner than in the movie and then he uses the force to slam Mace Windu up against the wall which is in the screenplay but not in the movie either,in the comic Mace kicks Palpatines lightsaber right out of his hands and Anakin shows up while they are still dueling and sees it happen too, Palpatine stands upright and attacks Mace with force lightning and is normal in one panel with signs of wrinkles starting to show and is completely deformed in the next panel and then he falls onto the floor from exhaustion while Mace goes to finish him off, Anakin cuts his hand off and Palpatine jumps back onto his feet and force slams him outside the broken window to his death,obviously playing possum all along.
     
  5. Rossa83

    Rossa83 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I find the movies to be the most important here. And in the movie Yoda's surrender is ambiguous. He is fighting Sideous and gaining the advantage - not even the most ardent Sideous supporter can fail to see that Sideous was losing the lightning duel. When slammed to the floor, after struggling to keep on the pod to stay in the fight - not an act of someone who wishes to leave and surrender - he realizes something, most likely connected to why he does not decide to train Luke at once. We can only speculate, but the duel taught Yoda something - but Sideous never owned Yoda's ass;)
     
  6. Obi-Chron

    Obi-Chron Jedi Master star 4

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    There's an old saying -- can't recall the author -- that goes something like: "He who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day!"

    So it is with Yoda. The force told him not to fight to the death. His loyalty to his training and beliefs led him to his escape. This moment of insight, of intuition, proved pivotal in due time when a certain young Skywalker is sent to him by the specter of Obi-Wan for some all-important training.

    Without Yoda, Luke never understands the end game, never touches the entombed personna of Ankin Skywalker on Bespin, never tries to turn his father back to the light on the Endor moon or DSII, never serves as the catalyst for Anakin's last minute resurrection and acceptance of his Chosen One status.

    Upon Yoda, all hope rested. Yoda "lost before the fight began" because only the Chosen One could destroy Sidious. Yoda only understood this much later. Luke learned the truth the hard way about his father, and yet Luke approached the situation by "trusting his feelings." There was no cookie cutter plan for victory. Luke was the key to the prophecy, and Yoda was the key for Luke. If Luke wisely used what he learned through Yoda on Dagobah, trusting his feelings and using his insight, things not as hopeless as they would appear.

    Yoda failed Anakin once -- he was not about to do so again by failing his son. Through Luke, Yoda "lives to fight another day" against Palpatine while instilling within Luke that which the Jedi lacked back in the days when Anakin turned to the dark side. Like a classic general, Yoda learned well from his previous mistakes.
     
  7. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    ...and ****s up that part of the wall IIRC, Matrix-style. Which possibly explains the reference to "Palpatine's ruined chambers" found in Dark Lord. Because we already know from AOTC that they have droids to replace broken windows and that it's a simple process. I don't think a little Jedi blood on the carpeting would qualify the place as "ruined"!

    We'll see this kind of thing happening in The Force Unleashed, of course.
     
  8. ComicDiva

    ComicDiva Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He was remembering all the good times he smoked pot with Yoda in the Temple's bathroom. :)
     
  9. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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  10. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Fixed.
     
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