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Why does Star Wars tech never really advance.

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  1. Astral_Bug

    Astral_Bug Jedi Master star 1

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    Look at it that way; some civilizations are ancient and uber advenced (bunch of them Celestials, Rakattans(sp?), Killiks?, etc), while some are not even space faring. Every species first evolves itself, then maybe shares with others (hm, the Chiss are more self-centred, methinks). So some, but not all civilizations eventualy start using certain techology. But to spread the same tech to all sistems is impossible, that's why one planet discovers something new, while somewhere else the same thing is considered outfated for centuries; it's capitalism first.

    I imagine that the tech-gap between PT(CloneWars) and OT(CivilWar)is the result of Palps intentional inhibition of science (he had after all Geonosians and others onder control before). DeathStar and other secret projects were just for his pleasure, while he held the GFFA population deprived of any new inovations.
    It's just one of dark side elenemts(deprivation&fear&suffering)that he uses to boost his power. Weak population=strong ruler.

    Also, todays 'advenced technology' by our standards are mirrored in SW books. When in reality (oratleast in teory) some new kind of tech becomes possible, it will also appear in books in some form. Remember: 'Your focus determines your reality.'

    just my two cents, is all.
     
  2. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "What evidence of nanotech is there in the starwars universe, are there self-healing ships, do cell sized nano bots flow through the bodies of people in the SW universe tweaking cell function."

    Mon Mothma was nearly killed by a nano-tech virus, for one. Of course, there's no hard evidence that nano-technology can do any of the stuff you've described.

    "150 years is not a long lifespan for a civilization with intersteller flight for 25,000 years. If they had nano-tech mitigating cell function they could live far longer."

    There's no proof of either.

    "The average individual in the universe does not even have cybernetic implants increasing brain function."

    Why should they? Imagine the massive moral, social, political, and industrial ramifications of such a course. Besides, they have droids for that anyway.

    "The Death Star is a complete waste when you consider that a 1 terraton fusion device(achieving fusion using antimatter) which is creatable gives off just as much energy for a bilionth the cost."

    I'm sorry, but if you know how to produce fusion, please tell us so we can end our dependence on the energy output of burning the decomposed remains of living things from several million years ago.

    "The computing tech in the star wars universe is really rather negligible. The distances to the Andromeda galaxy is but 2 million light years. In the movies tens of thousands of light years are traveled in minutes or hours. In books it takes at most one week to travel across the galaxy. Even if there was no galaxy for a hundred million light years distant such a journey could take no more than 100 years."

    And who the hell would want to spend 100 years going off into total oblivion where you may or may not survive in? How would you produce the fuel for 100 years worth of space flight? And for what? There's billions of unihabited planets still around, and about a nice 25% of the galaxy left unexplored.

    "The vong threat is miniscule compared with other extra galactic threats that could be imagined."

    Imagined, yes. Or, they could have been the greatest threat out there. Or, the entire rest of the universe could be populated by a race of fluffy kittens, or maybe God could just come along and blow up the entire universe.

    "And to say the SW universe has reached peak tech is foolish. There are plenty of things theorized by modern physics that they are not even close to achieving."

    Theorized, yes. Of course, they entire method of intergalactic transportation is based upon technology considered impossible by modern physics.

    Kudzu: "The Leviathian was just a bit more massive than a Dreadnaught heavy cruiser, and it was far and away the most powerful warship seen since the formation of the Republic (or so KOTOR and other sources would imply)."

    Ravager is more powerful.

    "Its heaviest guns would be on the scale of B-wing lasers to an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, for sure."

    Nope. They're armed with turbolasers.
     
  3. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'd like to know, what is theorized in real life, but not achived in SW.
     
  4. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I'd like to know, what is theorized in real life, but not achived in SW.

    Cloned body parts.;)

    But seriously, extreme stuff like using black holes as energy sources or as computers? Wormholes, quantum computers, extension of life by lenghtening telomeres etc.
     
  5. Jedi_Matt

    Jedi_Matt Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    didn't boba get a leg cloned/grown after escaping the sarlaac?
     
  6. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    If they can clone armies, cloning body parts should be simple.
     
  7. Gladiuus

    Gladiuus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, and many sources confirm that cloning body parts is a fairly common procedure, at least prior to the end of the Clone Wars. After the Empire was formed, cloning of any sort was outlawed.
     
  8. JediMasterNicolas

    JediMasterNicolas Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I...er....think he was joking. See he kinda winked after that. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that was intended as a "haha funny" kinda thing.
     
  9. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I was joking. Unsuccesfully, as it seems.:( The idea was that they replace Luke´s hand, Anakin´s hands and feets with cybernetic replacements even when they have cloning technology and theoretically could attach cloned limbs. And I do know that the replacements in the movies are artificial mainly just to show how inhuman Vader has become and how Luke is in danger of becoming like his father etc.
     
  10. nexubiir

    nexubiir Jedi Youngling

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    They do harness blackholes to power their Repulsorlifts. Or something like that. It's in the AOTC ICS.
     
  11. Kudzu

    Kudzu Jedi Knight star 5

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    It was in KOTOR 2, though...didn't it come after Leviathian?

    Turbolasers that lacked the heavier generators developed over time. I doubt they had as high a yield as the turbolasers on any vessel that served in the Clone Wars.
     
  12. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "It was in KOTOR 2, though...didn't it come after Leviathian?"

    No.

    "Turbolasers that lacked the heavier generators developed over time. I doubt they had as high a yield as the turbolasers on any vessel that served in the Clone Wars."

    And just what is the basis for your conclusion?

    Streamlining isn't the same as technological advancement.
     
  13. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    They do harness blackholes to power their Repulsorlifts. Or something like that. It's in the AOTC ICS.

    Good to know. Odd use, though. One would think that they would have bigger uses for that kind of technology.
     
  14. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Black Holes as energy sources. I know i'm not a sceintist but that is bull. Black Holes are tears in the fabric of space-time, compressing matter and energy into an infinitly small point. There is no energy at all, its all gravity (no, gravity is not energy, it is one of the four forces of the universe.)

    About the technology being the same-to be honest, even if they could go farther, they have no real reason too-no insentive. Wars occur only speroudicaly (most of our advances today come form war) Travling beyond the galaxy is risky with no reward as internal trade is penltiful. The ships get from point a to b pretty well-yep, I'ld say they have no incentive to increase technology by a large degree.
     
  15. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Black Holes as energy sources. I know i'm not a sceintist but that is bull. Black Holes are tears in the fabric of space-time, compressing matter and energy into an infinitly small point. There is no energy at all, its all gravity (no, gravity is not energy, it is one of the four forces of the universe.)

    I´m not a scientist either, I´m a humanist, but that´s what scientists claim. There´s plenty of stuff about in the web if you doubt it. Practical uses are of course off limits for now, it´s more about what super civilizations could do. But it´s theoretically possible.
     
  16. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Why does Star Wars tech never really advance?

    Because writers think X-wings, Star Destroyers and Corellian corvettes are all there is to it. Perhaps thinking readers will feel nostalgic . . . 30yrs later. Much like Timothy's Impstar openings each time. The same laser and missile names without adding new variety displays imaginative prowess; and this is without bringing the superficially horrific Clone War into things.

    Like where were the ion fists against your machine opponents.
     
  17. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's extremely likely that advanced manufacturing processes need a combination of nano technology and other forms of technology and so forth. Don't make presumptions. It's likely many of the complex hull armors use some form of nanotechnology, else, how do you think they can design armors that can withstand energy bolts that would have otherwise fried anything any lesser armor.

    Don't presume anything just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned. Even right now, I wouldn't dare presume that nanobots are miracle machines some sci-fi books make them.
     
  18. Uriden

    Uriden Jedi Youngling star 1

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    A modern-day example is needed here (sorry if I tread on any toes, but I didn't read all the responses).

    Technology, especially military, is extremely difficult, not only to develope, but also to mass produce. From initial design, testing, roll out, construction, and finally combat, it can take decades.

    Look at the current air forces as the closest example: Fighter jets like the F-16 are still widely used in front-line military opperations, though the plane was first introduced in the 60's.

    As they've progressed, improvements were made, and the technology was updated, but the basic plane is still the same.

    Look at the X-Wings in SW, where there's been a number of improvements and design changes over the years, but it's basically stayed the same until TJK, where we were introduced to the StealthX's, which I still haven't grasped as to how they look.

    All #1's boasts are a bit nieve, and the banging of troll drums sounds quite heavy to myself. Don't want to say he's entirely wrong, but it would take a helluva lot of good luck and probably an alien invasion or two (which we win and steal their technology) to do a lot of the things in the SW universe, in thousands of years, let alone 100 :p. Not to mention the physical impossibilities (based on our current knowledge).

    I'd say they're moving along nicely.
     
  19. Kudzu

    Kudzu Jedi Knight star 5

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    Explain please? :)

    Err...common sense? Blasters got more advanced, clearly. The DC-15 was much more powerful than the KOTOR-era rifles were.

    Plus, there's laminumanium(sp?) and the coma-gas boarding harpoons in NJO (among other innovations; the yammosk jammer, improved stutterfire settings, and Goddess missiles spring to mind), and droids have clearly advanced. HK-47 was, I would say, advanced far beyond his time and capable of an unusual amount of personality, intelligence, and independence. But just leaf through The Essential Guide to Droids...astromechs sure have come a long way.

    And I'll bet T3-M4 couldn't plug into a starfighter's astromech socket...because they didn't exist!
     
  20. Valin_Halcyon

    Valin_Halcyon Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Ravager was a ship made before KOTOR that nihilus took over.
     
  21. Kudzu

    Kudzu Jedi Knight star 5

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    OK, got it. I haven't played KOTOR 2 yet.
     
  22. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Err...common sense? Blasters got more advanced, clearly. The DC-15 was much more powerful than the KOTOR-era rifles were.

    On what basis did you arrive at that conclusion? We never encountered any data on those rifles, and if there are, please educate me. The DC-15s aren't exactly fantastically new technology, rather a new implementation of an old tech, which is pretty much what most of Star Wars technology is these days.

    All those "innovations" are just reimplementation of existing technologies, but do not qualify as a quantum leap in technology.
     
  23. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "The Death Star is a complete waste when you consider that a 1 terraton fusion device(achieving fusion using antimatter) which is creatable gives off just as much energy for a bilionth the cost."

    I'm sorry, but if you know how to produce fusion, please tell us so we can end our dependence on the energy output of burning the decomposed remains of living things from several million years ago.


    Know what a H-Bomb is? :p

    Fusion is unusable as a power source, but well developed as a weapon. Though a teraton is well above anything we have.
     
  24. darktalon

    darktalon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    And just what is the basis for your conclusion?
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    Err...common sense?


    We must be careful applying our common sense to technological development in the Star Wars universe, however. Our perceptions of how it should work are based on our experience of 21st-century Earth, where we have the fastest rate of development in history and a distinct lack of a millennia-old interstellar civilisation. :)
     
  25. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "Explain please?"

    Ravager was the wreck of a ship that Nihilus pulled out of Malachor's gravity. It saw service during the Mandalorian Wars, the same time as Leviathan.

    "Err...common sense? Blasters got more advanced, clearly. The DC-15 was much more powerful than the KOTOR-era rifles were."

    And how does that prove anything (first off, you need to prove the DC-15 is more powerful than KOTOR-era rifles)? Streamlining design is not the same as technological advancement. A blaster is still a blaster. It works the same, has the same purpose, and has the same effect.

    "Plus, there's laminumanium(sp?) and the coma-gas boarding harpoons in NJO (among other innovations; the yammosk jammer, improved stutterfire settings, and Goddess missiles spring to mind),"

    Those aren't technological advances, merely slight changes to existing technology to better suit fighting a totally different enemy, except possibly the yammosk jammers. Obviously, though, that wouldn't be developed until the NJO. Why would there be any need for it pre-NJO?

    "and droids have clearly advanced. HK-47 was, I would say, advanced far beyond his time and capable of an unusual amount of personality, intelligence, and independence."

    T3-M4 disagrees. Never mind the fact G0-T0 (a droid) was able to mass-produce him.

    "But just leaf through The Essential Guide to Droids...astromechs sure have come a long way."

    But they're still essentially the same thing. There's been no technological breakthrough.

    "And I'll bet T3-M4 couldn't plug into a starfighter's astromech socket...because they didn't exist!"

    Probably because astromech sockets are an abberation in starfighter design. Fighters of previous eras didn't need them at all; The entire TIE series goes with astromechs.
     
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