Why does Vader have the ESB/ROTJ chest plate rather then the ANH one?

Oh god that looks so AWEFUL! I noticed the continuity too and at first i was a bit confused as to why they wouldn't want to segue in ANH with the "classic" Vader suite but after seeing it--now i know why! Just plain goofy with the robes over the armor. The continuity will always nag at me but knowing the alternative i can rest a little easier.

(btw--i meant that the concept looks horrible, not your photoshop skills, which are actually quite good)

 

The ANH suit was made on a shoestring budget with little thought of a sequel. It has nothing ot do with continuity or Vader alternating suits. The suit we see in ROTS is the suit he always wanted. Expect some minor detailing with CGI on the suit in the future, but a full CGI rendering of Vader is simply not practical. The technology used ot take out reflections of the camera from C3PO in ROTS is the same technology that will be used to clean up Vader's costume in ANH, as well as the chairs in the command center of the death star and a few other details that ahd to be sacrificed due to a small budget. And anyone who thinks Lucas won't do that kind of detailing is deluding themselves. This kind of creative work has already been done on several of the explosions. The only reason to stop short is if it's not profitable and Star Wars films and merchandise will sell for many years to come.

 

What does having innercloak over the armor have anything to do with shoestring budget? And what's wrong with the chairs in the command center of the Death Star?

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! DO NOT WANT!

*I'm being a big baby, I know.*

 

Another thing, seriously, asking why Vader wears his innercloak under the armor, then over the armor, then goes back to wearing it under is like asking why Han Solo goes from wearing a vest in ANH, to no vest in ESB (A full-armed jacket), to back to a vest by the end of ROTJ.

 

Actually, the suit was designed to be similar to the ANH design. Red eye lenses, for example. Some bits that were changed were done since Lucas wanted them that way. Chest plate being one of them. The helmet is more symmetrical due to the newer technology.

Only fans who are anal over such details will notice too much of a difference.

 

"Only fans who are anal over such details will notice too much of a difference"

Ya, hence THIS thread.

 

Very typical of a hardcore SW fan. Always trying to find a real world solution to a matter. Why not just simply come out and say...."It was a **** up by GL and shouldn't have been done." Why does there always have to be a real-world solution to a simple movie mistake like "Maybe he tried them on but didn't like it so he went back with his other choice."

 

^^^^

Cause in the eyes of many GL cannot do any wrong. Even if he does, they won't admit it.

 

."It was a **** up by GL and shouldn't have been done." Why does there always have to be a real-world solution to a simple movie mistake like "Maybe he tried them on but didn't like it so he went back with his other choice."


Why is it so hard to imagine Vader having slightly differing costumes from time to time? Why does this seem so IMPOSSIBLE to some people?

 

Let's take a vote, which chest box looks more like the ANH one, the ROTS, or the ESB/ROTJ one? See below.

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Exactly, and if they do find out something that he did wrong, they creat some real life solution to it like "Well maybe he changes it from time to time."


Just like if I said "Why is it that Anakin's saber (That Obi-Wan gives to Luke) in ANH isn't blue like how it was in EP3 and EP5." I'll probably get a response like "Well over the years the blue crystal gold old so it started to lose its color. So just before EP5, Luke gets another crystal to put in it. Since it's his fathers lightsaber, to honor him Luke puts in a blue crystal."

I mean come on now....

 

I could just say the same things about you people who bash everything Lucas does, even when he does something right you deny or ignore it. A damn costume has nothing to do with anything. Why does Han go from ANH vest to ESB jacket back to vest again by the end of ROTJ? Don't rationalize it by saying he changed clothes, George ****ed that up too.

Funny that hardly anyone paid attention to my chest box comparisons. It's clear that the ROTS looks more like the ANH one.

 

All right, knock it off.

 

The Han Solo clothing swap is not a good comparison because Han wasnt encased as a prisoner in his vest as a symbolic form of life-preservation. Its just normal clothes that he can change when he likes.

But i dont really care anyway. Its not an integral part of the Vader suit--Vader simply untucked the chest robes, upgrading his lifesupport box, and since we see him removing his helmet in ESB it isnt that hard to imagine him changing masks from time to time.

 

Yes, but I also recall there is no absolute rule that Vader could not change/replace his outfit from time to time. There is nothing in the films that says he did or didn't. Although it's EU sources, he did take it off from time to time as read in "Shadows of the Empire". There are differences in the suit in the context of the same movie if you look hard enough. As I have said multiple times and ignored, the ROTS chest box looks more like the ANH one than the ESB/ROTJ ones.

 

I'm not bashing him. I just want to know what was his motive to give Vader the EP5/EP6 suit in ROTS instead of the EP4 suit. I'm not bashing him, I just want to know why he made such an odd decision.

But instead of getting a straight-forward answer from you people, I get a "Well Vader just likes to change his costumes from time to time...." type of answer from you guys.

 

the answer is not srtaight forward why?? becasue it is not the answer you want??

 

I'm not bashing him. I just want to know what was his motive to give Vader the EP5/EP6 suit in ROTS instead of the EP4 suit. I'm not bashing him, I just want to know why he made such an odd decision.

Funny how you ignored what I said about the ROTS chestbox. It's more like the ANH chestbox than the ESB/ROTJ one.

 

No, the answers aren't straight-foward because they're answers that gets around the question. If I ask you what is your favorite movies and you say "Well I like movies that has good acting, good dialog, and good camera work" That isn't a straight-foward answer. A straight forward answer would be "My favorite movies are [insert a list of movies]

I ask why did GL go with the EP5/EP6 look and instead of saying "Well GL thought that people were more in common with the EP5/EP6 look so he went with that." No, instead I got "Well maybe Vader wanted to try on this suit, but later didnt like it so he went with another suit....only to later go back to his original suit." Thats not straight forward, thats just trying to get around the question.

I'm not talking about the part where it shows all the little buttons and stuff. I'm talking about the Chest Plate thats just below his face, the part above the part that you're trying to describe.

Just look at these pics and you'll see what I'm talking about.

EP3 Vader ==> http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=ep3+vader/v=2/SID=e/TID=I047_86/l=IVI/SIG=128h8utr4/EXP=1127505401/*-http%3A//img52.exs.cx/img52/8296/BirthOfVaderLucas.jpg

EP4 Vader ==> http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Darth+Vader+pics/v=2/SID=e/TID=I047_86/l=IVI/SIG=12ftiqf2e/EXP=1127505773/*-http%3A//www.wizards.com/swtcg/images/boy/darth_vader_(d).jpg

EP4 Vader ==> http://dvader.8m.com/pic25.jpg

EP4 Vader ==> http://dvader.8m.com/pic29.jpg

EP5 Vader ==> http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Darth+Vader+pics/v=2/SID=e/TID=I047_86/l=IVI/SIG=12f7ns69q/EXP=1127505814/*-http%3A//www.wizards.com/swtcg/images/esb/darth_vader_(h).jpg

EP5 Vader ==> http://dvader.8m.com/pic23.jpg

EP6 Vader ==> http://dvader.8m.com/pic28.jpg

Now do you see the difference? Thats what I'm talking about, why couldn't GL make that part look more like the EP4 suit instead of the EP5/EP6 suit?

 

Here is a straight forward answer.....because that is what he wanted......you wanna knwo why?? Why ask us? We cannot tell you WHY he did because we are not Lucas, what we CAN is put forth a reason.......which we have.....get over it

 

No you can't give us HIS answer. But you can give us an answer to why you think he did that.

Nice attempt at trying to be stern however.

 

I'm not talking about the part where it shows all the little buttons and stuff. I'm talking about the Chest Plate thats just below his face, the part above the part that you're trying to describe.

Just look at these pics and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now do you see the difference? Thats what I'm talking about, why couldn't GL make that part look more like the EP4 suit instead of the EP5/EP6 suit?


Yes I know what you are talking about, you the chestplate is always the same, it just wasn't polished in ANH and he had his innercloak OVER it in ANH as opposed to having the innercloak running under it in all the other movies.

Have you not seen my photoshop job? This is more like the ANH Vader.

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Really, the differences between the chest plates are minute. They all look almost the same to me with a few exceptions on color and style of buttons. My own conjecture-theories are that Vader needed to replace them once in awhile like broken keys on a typewriter, or that they would assume different colors and positions based on whatever configuration he wanted to use at the time

Even though the ESB/ROTJ suit is my favorite, there is still a special place in my heart for the dull suit that storms onto the deck of the Tantive...

 

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